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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And gays would die a horrible death.....
    Where on this planet are Christians beheading gays or throwing them off high buildings? (Please bear in mind that old news doesn't count).

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes actually they did state their religious beliefs. And it is that religious belief that is the reasoning behind their discrimination.
    they were approached because of their religious beliefs.

    It was predatory from the get go, and where there are legitimate applications for that tactic, this is not one of them. This outfit had no reason to be in the media other than their views, they had made no public announcements and had sought no coverage on their own.

    That is significant from both a legal and ethical view, on an ethics point this is a dog's breakfast floating on a turd in the sewer.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it is a pretty irrational view. So why force people to go against what they believe?
    Sigh... more CON spin-

    Do you believe in all forms welfare? Do you pay taxes to support welfare?

    If someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage should they be forced to wait on such a couple in a restaurant?

    Can a fundie doctor refuse to attend a badly hurt gay man?

    We are constantly 'forced' to do things we'd rather not or don't believe in.

    It;s called putting on your big boy pants and living in the real world rather than a false narrative the CONs love to spin about 'freedoms'....

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Liberals don't say much about Muslims because if they treated Muslims like they do Christians, they'd get themselves killed.

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    Why would American Liberals have much to say about Muslims, when said religious group is so small in numbers, few people have interactions with Muslims, whether social or business.

    American Liberals only have things to say about SOME who call themselves Christian. There are very few who attack or denigrate all who call themselves Christian and then there is the ever so small matter that many Liberals are Christians.

    For SOME who call themselves Christian seemingly are incapable of seeing any other person as Christian if that other person doesn't believe exactly the same things about their religion.

    The whole "Christians are being persecuted" meme is derived solely from a world view based on fantasy - at least in America.

    The "Liberals say nothing about Muslims" meme denies the efforts by Liberals in those parts of the world where Islamic fundamentalism does such great harm
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I love the CON spin you attempt. no one said gays don't like pizza- did say who would cater a wedding with pizza...
    In case you didn't notice or didn't read far enough that particular post was designed to illicit a type of response. Which it did quite nicely in SMTA's post following that particular post.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    This isn't the 1200's nor is it the 1950's where entire blocks of people can be refused service because your rather warped interpretation of a religion is used to cover bigotry. I doubt even the most warped CON could really claim a small business owner is a serf... a lack of knowledge I'd say... if the 21st century has a serf equiv it might be more the minimum wage earner than a pizza shop owner...
    If forced to provide a service that they don't wish to provide then yes they are. Just like serfs were forced to provide for the Lords back in the medieval days.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.
    No one is asked to give up their beliefs or think alike. Millions of times every day a Christian serves an atheist, a Muslim serves a Christian, liberals serve conservatives. They're not required to abandon their beliefs in doing so.

    I don't see anti-discrimination laws any different than your role as moderator on DP. You boot people who choose not to comply with terms of service that allows this place to serve as a forum FOR differences of opinion. Laws against discrimination based on race, religion, etc. allow for those of widely different views to coexist peacefully.

    There will be difficult cases, perhaps like baking cakes for a wedding, but those can be settled or are the downside of what works 99.9% of cases.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    they were approached because of their religious beliefs. It was predatory from the get go, and where there are legitimate applications for that tactic, this is not one of them. This outfit had no reason to be in the media other than their views, they had made no public announcements and had sought no coverage on their own. That is significant from both a legal and ethical view, on an ethics point this is a dog's breakfast floating on a turd in the sewer.
    It is called test cases and the CONs rail for someone to test companies over gun restrictions or the laws they disagree with. Deliberate, focussed and for a goal beyond a pizza...

    The pizza shop owners could have simply said no comment but they (she) chose to put her opinion front and center.

    They should take religious comfort that they too face the angry philistines but unlike the One they claim to follow they won't be up on some wood for 3 days to think about it....

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Sigh... more CON spin-
    I'm not a Conservative.

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    Do you believe in all forms welfare? Do you pay taxes to support welfare?
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    If someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage should they be forced to wait on such a couple in a restaurant?
    As I've been saying. No one should be forced to do what they do not want to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Can a fundie doctor refuse to attend a badly hurt gay man?
    Hippocratic Oath. They willingly gave up that right when they swore that oath.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    We are constantly 'forced' to do things we'd rather not or don't believe in.
    I'm not.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It;s called putting on your big boy pants and living in the real world rather than a false narrative the CONs love to spin about 'freedoms'....
    We're talking about Rights. Not freedoms.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Where on this planet are Christians beheading gays or throwing them off high buildings? (Please bear in mind that old news doesn't count).
    What is "old news", as prescribed by the White House that would mean anything more than a hour old and is detrimental to the reputation of the rock star occupant.

    You have a point, but so do the other side, to a degree. You and I are alike, I am Christian and my best friend tells me to mind my own business and make sure I am right with him, what is right with others is no concern of mine. If gays are sinners, he's sitting there with them and me, because Lord, I am a sinner....and will likely never not be in this world.

    Having said that, the Bible thumping scam artists on TV and radio, the fat cat preachers with their own universities who claim to know God's specific role in every political issue, are pretty close to what you refer. How many of these turds have railed at homosexuality, calling it a "curse" and a "disease" only to be arrested in a men's washroom? That does not help this Christian at all.

    We have no right to condemn anyone, Jesus forgives, he gets to chose who is forgiven for what, and we need to always remember that...

    But the point is exacting. The left, because it is now popular under Obama, can forgive atrocities but not a young woman who gets led into a verbal trap by a predatory TV personality wannabe
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Uber Libertarian Penn Jillette NAILS it.


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