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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In your opinion. Others feel differently.
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    If selling someone a good or service means you can no longer believe what you want to it's a pretty irrational view
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.



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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, Kal'Stang.

    I know. It's just unreal to me that the discussion about "rights" on this topic have deteriorated to this point in our Country. Emotion, rather than logic, seems to have taken over on what should be a dry legal matter. Maybe that's how things get handled these days, on both sides of the coin - create chaos to get attention. When I see the "pushback" that is taking place with the financial outpouring for the pizzeria, it appears that both sides are digging in their heels to show where they stand. What's next?


    In sociological terms the heightened reactions are a result of a deepening divide.

    As the nation see its leaders engage in childish name calling and bully tactics in DC, they grow more and more resentful of the "other" side, and more easily become hysterical, which for the left is never a long trip, go to a labor rally and listen to some speeches.

    The nation has had six years of confrontation on just about every file. Ferguson becomes a bigger issue because the first black president has to face it somehow. Having promised everything to everyone on every file, a simple shooting becomes a right-left issue because of a push for gun control.

    And anytime there is push, there is push back. It grows more severe as one side sees itself as being pushed into too many corners, 'Damn now we can't even say "no" to a customer for any reason if they're ______________ fill in the blank.'

    and then there is the aspect, for both sides, that they have a "just cause" whether it be middle ages Biblical morality or a hysterical reaction to a predatory planted question designed to pull some triggers......the perfect storm if you will, and a race baited, hyper sensitive "stupid voter" waiting to be fed a reason....
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Sure it has an accepted definition, but you seem not to realize that both sides are bigoted. This "I'm intolerant of the intolerant" philosophy of the left wing would be laughable if it wasn't so damaging.

    The owner states their deeply held religious beliefs and the response from the left is to destroy, nothing even hinting at being constructive.
    First, I don't condone and do condemn what some wrote and said about/to the pizzeria. As far as I'm concerned, threats in social media, whether intended as serious or not, should be prosecuted, the person convicted of a crime, and thrown off the media for a long time, and people leaving bogus reviews should be cut off from that service, permanently if they can. And it's perfectly fine to describe some of that reaction as bigotry.

    But the owner didn't state his religious beliefs - the owner stated an intention to discriminate, which you don't have to have any modifiers to know that I mean to deny service to someone because of their sexual orientation. It she's said, "I don't mind serving anyone of any race in my restaurant, but I won't cater interracial weddings" what is the appropriate interpretation?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ahh yes, the old "liberals love Muslims" meme.
    Liberals don't say much about Muslims because if they treated Muslims like they do Christians, they'd get themselves killed.

    Also, do people really still believe the Fox News version of that "give them jobs" deal? Really? You never actually bothered to go watch the actual video and see what was actually said? Weren't you the least bit curious?
    I wasn't. Besides, it's old news. According to this administration, old news doesn't count.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    If selling someone a good or service means you can no longer believe what you want to it's a pretty irrational view
    Yes it is a pretty irrational view. So why force people to go against what they believe?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    When the reporter stated "while the owners say" that means that the owners are being quoted. If a reporter changes that quote then they can be sued for libel. (which is different from slander by the by).
    Not quite. Libel is written word, and as such only is an issue IF both incorrect and causes harm to one's reputation.

    The changing of a quote is an ethical issue, one which like all ethics have varying degrees of application. Some outlets, most actually, allow some "cleaning up" of a quote" for syntax etc.

    However, in the end, the reader has an expectation of quotation marks meaning the exact words of the speaker. In broadcast, the rules are broader as a direct quote can come in two forms, the exact words of a recording or the reporter saying "...he says...." which implies a quote.

    In any regard, if it is wrong and caused harm of any kind, they have a case for slander what we now call a defamation suit. I don't know the laws there, but if the story is as suggested, that the reporter presented a hypothetical and touched off this **** storm, they may never have to work again, but it won't have anything to do with a mis quote, but rather intent. It's a good case to show the reporter and the outlet had an intent to create severe and damaging reaction.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What? Do you think that gay's don't like pizza or something? Yeah, you are definitely not an expert. So why say something so lacking in knowledge? Personally I'm all for gays having a pizza party on their wedding day. To any business that wants to cater it. But I don't believe in forcing anyone to serve anyone else either. This is not the 1200's. We don't live a serf life.
    I love the CON spin you attempt. no one said gays don't like pizza- did say who would cater a wedding with pizza...

    This isn't the 1200's nor is it the 1950's where entire blocks of people can be refused service because your rather warped interpretation of a religion is used to cover bigotry. I doubt even the most warped CON could really claim a small business owner is a serf... a lack of knowledge I'd say... if the 21st century has a serf equiv it might be more the minimum wage earner than a pizza shop owner...

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Liberals don't say much about Muslims because if they treated Muslims like they do Christians, they'd get themselves killed.



    I wasn't. Besides, it's old news. According to this administration, old news doesn't count.
    And gays would die a horrible death.....
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But the owner didn't state his religious beliefs - the owner stated an intention to discriminate, which you don't have to have any modifiers to know that I mean to deny service to someone because of their sexual orientation. It she's said, "I don't mind serving anyone of any race in my restaurant, but I won't cater interracial weddings" what is the appropriate interpretation?
    Yes actually they did state their religious beliefs. And it is that religious belief that is the reasoning behind their discrimination.
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