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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yep. People engage in all forms of discrimination. I think the group has talked about that in the past.
    Sorry but I don't know who 'people' or 'the group' is in that comment.

    I'm not quite sure what your point is. If it's that if we accept "discrimination" in some cases then banning any "discrimination" is illegitimate, I don't buy it. The law reflects our amazing ability as human beings to deal with concepts that aren't black and white and so attempts to find an acceptable compromise between competing goals and rights.

    And I don't see how gay cruises/gay resorts fit into this unless you have some examples to talk about.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And I've explained how discriminating against letting a business discriminate can also affect commerce. Its a 6 to 1 and half a dozen to the other type situation.
    And I explained that the govt doesn't have to exercise a power it has, and how that decision is made through the political process.

    I also invited you to start of movement to have a law passed that prohibits shoppers from discriminating or participating in boycotts. I'll even wish you luck.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I did everything but cook.

    Caterers don't do anything of religious significance nor anything that is significantly different than serving someone at a restaurant.

    But I'll repeat that you're free to explain the religious significance of catering, complete with biblical quotations.
    Willingly catering a gay wedding which goes against God precepts of a marriage being only between a man and a woman is the same as endorsing that wedding. Just like a school that allows people not affiliated with the school or works at the school to hand out Bibles or Korans or <insert religious text here> for free on school property is considered as the government endorsing religion.

    And by the by...last I knew caterers also provide wedding cakes. To a religious person that is one of the main symbols of a religious ceremony.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And I explained that the govt doesn't have to exercise a power it has, and how that decision is made through the political process.

    I also invited you to start of movement to have a law passed that prohibits shoppers from discriminating or participating in boycotts. I'll even wish you luck.
    The government does not have the power to force people into servicing other people. Even with the commerce clause being misinterpreted the way it has been.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Willingly catering a gay wedding which goes against God precepts of a marriage being only between a man and a woman is the same as endorsing that wedding.
    NO, it's not an endorsement. Restaurants and caterers serve all sorts of people. It is not an endorsement of anything they do just as the seller of a bat isn't endorsing violence if someone uses a bat to bash someone's skull in.

    Just like a school that allows people not affiliated with the school or works at the school to hand out Bibles or Korans or <insert religious text here> for free on school property is considered as the government endorsing religion.
    A public school is not a commercial enterprise, and we're talking about adults getting married, not schoolchildren in school.

    And by the by...last I knew caterers also provide wedding cakes. To a religious person that is one of the main symbols of a religious ceremony.
    No, the cake is of no religious significance.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "regularly sanctioned discrimination"??? You say that as if it's A Bad Thing.

    "regularly sanctioned discrimination" happens all the time. Today, I discriminated against chocolate ice by buying some strawberry ice cream. Sorry, chocolate!!

    But those sorts of choices do not harm commerce. The type of discrimination these christian bigots want to practice does.
    Really? Please...do tell how it 'harms commerce'...

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The government does not have the power to force people into servicing other people. Even with the commerce clause being misinterpreted the way it has been.
    The govt most certainly does. This has been affirmed in a multitude of lawsuits.

    It it weren't true, then this law would never have been proposed, let alone passed.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? Please...do tell how it 'harms commerce'...
    I've already posted the answer to your question.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now it looks like not selling pizzas to gay weddings is working out pretty good for them.

    $200 thousand from GoFundMe is nothing to sneeze at, eh?
    Really? You have great disdain for people that say 'I'll serve anyone that walks in our store but I wont cater a gay wedding" but you havent got the balls to condemn threatened violence?

    Thats so...well...expected.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Once the ships is 12 miles off the coast of the US, US laws do not apply. The casinos open up. On some cruise lines 18 YO can drink. Etc.
    So no harm, no foul, as long as it is 'legal'?

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