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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Today I learned people have pizza for a wedding reception. Doesn't blow my mind, but what happened to Prime Rib?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.

    Sorry, not all beliefs are deserving of tolerance. I am not tolerant of bigotry. I am not tolerant of sexism. I am not tolerant of the belief the young children should be allowed to consent to sex. I am not tolerant of plenty of beliefs. Note , I am not saying the government should outlaw BELIEFS. Hell, I even believe it should be legal for the pizzaria to refuse service for bigoted reasons. But if they want to advertise their bigotry then I believe they deserve to be put out of business by people withholding their patronage.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    This thread is answering a question I have had for a few days. How many businesses are we really talking about in Indiana that are now being "protected" under this law? How many business owners felt they needed the right/ability to claim they would not serve a gay couple based on their religious beliefs?

    I didn't think it would be a handful and when it comes to a Pizzeria with a owner named O'Connor who won't cater gay weddings...I think we are reaching to find the culprit.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So your experience is everything that happens in the world? That is what you're implying with a post such as this and your previous posts. I've shown your statement "The words 'pizza' and 'catering' are mutually exclusive." to be absolutely wrong and your experience "I have never heard of anybody having a wedding catered with pizza." to be seriously lacking. And yet you continue to double down on it. Not surprised I guess.
    Again, the only thing here lacking here is what you want to believe.

    You don't want to serve people whose lifestyles you detest, then don't go into business and cry about it.

    If you want to only cater to people who you 'approve', then be prepared to have your business suffer for your views.

    Stop crying and whining about the rules when you chose to open a business and play the game.

    Your braying here sounds exactly like George Wallace complaining about having to admit black students to white schools.

    There were plenty of 'good Christians' who absolutely supported his views then, and some still have not got the message yet.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints.
    The people calling for tolerance aren't calling for tolerance of bigotry
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What? Do you think that gay's don't like pizza or something? Yeah, you are definitely not an expert. So why say something so lacking in knowledge?

    Personally I'm all for gays having a pizza party on their wedding day. To any business that wants to cater it. But I don't believe in forcing anyone to serve anyone else either. This is not the 1200's. We don't live a serf life.
    Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

    1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
    2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
    3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

    Tell me... what is it?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This thread is answering a question I have had for a few days. How many businesses are we really talking about in Indiana that are now being "protected" under this law? How many business owners felt they needed the right/ability to claim they would not serve a gay couple based on their religious beliefs? I didn't think it would be a handful and when it comes to a Pizzeria with a owner named O'Connor who won't cater gay weddings...I think we are reaching to find the culprit.
    Probably not very many. These people had some sort of agenda when they announced it. I'll bet most businesses don't care.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

    1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
    2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
    3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

    Tell me... what is it?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Explain to me how catering to a gay wedding would be against their religious beliefs.

    1) Is it in their Bible (though shalt not cater gay weddings!)?
    2) Will it make them automatically gay in the eyes of the Lord?
    3) Will catering for profit to gay people make them automatically accepting of gay lifestyle?

    Tell me... what is it?
    It is typical Christian judgement and hypocrisy is exactly what it is.

    I personally don't agree with the same sex lifestyle, but it is not my place to judge, but God's.

    I find it intriguing that some Christians think that their beliefs came from God's mouth to their ears.

    I find it very hard to believe that Jesus Christ will hold a marginal Christian to a higher level than a marginal gay/lesbian who also did their best.

    There are very few Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to the letter.

    It sure doesn't keep some of those Christians from quickly passing judgement upon all other folks.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Again, the only thing here lacking here is what you want to believe.

    You don't want to serve people whose lifestyles you detest, then don't go into business and cry about it.

    If you want to only cater to people who you 'approve', then be prepared to have your business suffer for your views.

    Stop crying and whining about the rules when you chose to open a business and play the game.

    Your braying here sounds exactly like George Wallace complaining about having to admit black students to white schools.

    There were plenty of 'good Christians' who absolutely supported his views then, and some still have not got the message yet.
    Sorry but just because someone opens up a business does not mean that their rights to religion or free association goes away. I know that you wish it were otherwise but that is just not the case.

    As for the business suffering, that's the owner of the businesses choice isn't it? I know this might be a foreign concept to some people but not everyone opens up a business just to make money.

    As for my "braying" I'm sure that you're well aware that I personally support SSM...right? I've got the posting history to prove it both here and in other forums. For instance, ask Hicup (who is against SSM) how much we debated SSM in the past via a PM.

    What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE. And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.
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