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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    White Women did not go through the exact same denial of rights as African American women did in this country. Is a white woman's struggle less than that of a black woman? Even though they did not face all the same denials of right...the still faced those related to they being women.

    Blacks had their own path to social justice and civil rights...LGBT will have theirs. What each group goes to ultimately get social justice and civil rights...does not have to be the exactly same to be valid.
    Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)


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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That doesn't make much sense, how many openly racist bakeries have you seen denying service to black people?
    Hmmmm..... Might want to catch up on the laws a bit. That particular form of discrimination has been illegal for a few decades now, so not many still do it. But it's legal in Indiana against gays!

    This article was interesting. Seems a BBQ restaurant owner in SC tried to use religion to justify discrimination against blacks (in 1968):

    The attorney representing the petitioners suing Piggie Park also addressed in court the “First Amendment religious privilege claim that petitioner asserted that his religion required him” to deny service to black customers. “I’m just a fair man. I want to be known as a hard-working, Christian man that loves God and wants to further (God’s) work throughout the world as I have been doing throughout the last 25 years.” (Source)

    Read more at: SC Restaurant Owner Refuses To Serve Blacks, Cites Religious Beliefs
    He lost 8-0 in the SC. But strike 'black' and replace with 'gay' and you've got the modern version of that argument. IMO, it deserves the same respect.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Hmmmm..... Might want to catch up on the laws a bit. That particular form of discrimination has been illegal for a few decades now, so not many still do it. But it's legal in Indiana against gays!

    This article was interesting. Seems a BBQ restaurant owner in SC tried to use religion to justify discrimination against blacks (in 1968):



    He lost 8-0 in the SC. But strike 'black' and replace with 'gay' and you've got the modern version of that argument. IMO, it deserves the same respect.



    Speaking on catching up, that was in 1968, we live in a different world. Businesses should be able to sell to whom and how they want. I'd prefer it that way so I know which racists have businesses so I don't give them my money.

    And as you can see, being a racist, or even hint that you might have religious objection to catering to a gay wedding these days, gets you a lot of negative attention.


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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Of course, LGBT people have been literally strung up from a tree in this country on many occasions. So I guess WCH's issue is the number. Gay people don't deserve freedom because not enough of them have been murdered. (incidentally, if being gay were a visible trait we all damn well know it would have happened that way)
    Lots of people have been strung up and worse. How does that mean that an entire group gets control over the labor and property of others?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

    Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Once again, I'm struck by what the **** is going on in America these days. It's as if there's been a collective brain cramp.

    Don't people in America understand that bigotry in the name of religion is why the world has the Middle East and ISIS?

    Granted there is far too much hold over to middle ages interpretations of the Bible but this is not Christianity.

    Not even close, a young woman was trapped in a hypothetical interview from which erupted a hate fest....
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Speaking on catching up, that was in 1968, we live in a different world. Businesses should be able to sell to whom and how they want. I'd prefer it that way so I know which racists have businesses so I don't give them my money.

    And as you can see, being a racist, or even hint that you might have religious objection to catering to a gay wedding these days, gets you a lot of negative attention.
    It's different now to be sure, but pointing out that a law worked to change the business DNA in this country isn't a good reason to repeal the law that worked so well.

    Also, as I've said elsewhere, IMO, anti-discrimination laws are a reflection of who we are. Repealing them says something bad IMO, and a good statement of who we are is to extend them to sexual orientation.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of people have been strung up and worse. How does that mean that an entire group gets control over the labor and property of others?
    I think the difference is most of us don't see that a person opening a business to serve the public being 'forced' to serve the public, for a fair and competitive exchange on the same terms as others, is "getting control over the labor and property of others." Sort of like zoning laws or health codes or safety requirements on the job.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's different now to be sure, but pointing out that a law worked to change the business DNA in this country isn't a good reason to repeal the law that worked so well.

    Business DNA or state government DNA or a combination of all. See one could even make an argument that by government forcing people to sell to "X" despite thier religious objections, you are discriminating against them.


    Also, as I've said elsewhere, IMO, anti-discrimination laws are a reflection of who we are. Repealing them says something bad IMO, and a good statement of who we are is to extend them to sexual orientation.

    I think, yelp, are more of a reflection of "who we are", than some dumb law that actually protects racists and bigots, despite themselves. I'd rather know the racist to avoid patronizing thier business than force them to sell to everyone and me not know.


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