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Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Sorry but just because someone opens up a business does not mean that their rights to religion or free association goes away. I know that you wish it were otherwise but that is just not the case.

As for the business suffering, that's the owner of the businesses choice isn't it? I know this might be a foreign concept to some people but not everyone opens up a business just to make money.

As for my "braying" I'm sure that you're well aware that I personally support SSM...right? I've got the posting history to prove it both here and in other forums. For instance, ask Hicup (who is against SSM) how much we debated SSM in the past via a PM.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE. And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.

Then exercise your right to not go into business.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

it's a boycott over discriminatory treatment of a minority group. False equivalence if there was

I'm sure you'd keep going to a pizza place that had "no blacks" sign on the front window, i mean get real

discriminating against someone religious views is still discrimination or did you not realize this.
where is the tolerance that you people harp on so much.

to call them bigots means that you are one yourself or did you not realize this. therefore you have become the very thing that you hate.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Boycotting them is your right. But that is not what you have done in this thread. All you've done in this thread is promote discrimination against people that don't share your beliefs.

LOL don't you see that is what they're doing to homosexuals? Except one is bronze age beliefs that have no merit, while the other is an identity

As for the sign bit, nope I wouldn't. That is what boycotting is. Not giving my service to someone. Complete opposite of what you're doing.

no all you're saying is that boycotting a business that won't serve blacks is legitimate opposition, while *criticizing* a business that won't serve gays is discrimination...

that makes so little sense i think i will get drunk so i can understand it better...
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What? Do you think that gay's don't like pizza or something? Yeah, you are definitely not an expert. So why say something so lacking in knowledge?

Personally I'm all for gays having a pizza party on their wedding day. To any business that wants to cater it. But I don't believe in forcing anyone to serve anyone else either. This is not the 1200's. We don't live a serf life.



What's stopping you from throwing lots of pizza parties for lots of gay people then? :roll:
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Do you know why they're closed?

I can only go by what the co-owner told the media:

“I don’t know if we will reopen, or if we can, if it’s safe to reopen,” co-owner Crystal O’Connor told TheBlaze TV. “We’re in hiding basically, staying in the house.”

Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

“We said we would serve anyone that came in that door, even gays,” Crystal told The Blaze. “But we would not condone a wedding. We would not cater to that.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/donors-raise-cash-indiana-pizza-shop-gay-marriage-slap-article-1.2170564





KILL HER!!!!!

No ****!

There is a difference between the two? Really?

So if the wedding party came into the store to eat, it is OK, right?

If the wedding party ordered their pizzas to go to cater their own wedding, it would be OK also, right?

Like I said, hypocrisy disguised as Christianity.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.


I read another news report about a reporter that ruined the life of a family and small business. The place closed, maybe temporarily, maybe for good because of death threats from liberals.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What's stopping you from throwing lots of pizza parties for lots of gay people then? :roll:

Not a damn thing.

They could put their pictures in with the thank you letter to the store!
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

This situation brings to mind one of Publilius Syrus' Maxims from the first century B.C.: "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." There was no compelling need whatsoever for the pizzeria's owner to inject herself into a civil rights matter in the fashion she did, much less over an extremely low probability scenario. Now, at least for the time being, the pizzeria is closed, the reputation of its owner is damaged, and it has perhaps lost a number of customers regardless of whether it reopens.



I wish them lots of luck, all bad, in all of their future projects.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties? :roll:

My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.

Should a Muslim butcher be forced to sell pork?
Should a Kosher Deli be forced to offer non kosher items for Christians?
Should an atheist Bookstore owner be forced to sell Bible's or the Koran?

There are a lot of things "Religious Freedom" covers....not just opposition to Gay weddings.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Sorry, not all beliefs are deserving of tolerance.
Then you don't know the meaning of the word tolerance. here I will post it for you.

the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with

I am not tolerant of bigotry.
except when spouting your own bigoted views then you are very tolerant.

But if they want to advertise their bigotry then I believe they deserve to be put out of business by people withholding their patronage.

That is up for people to decide.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I can only go by what the co-owner told the media:

“I don’t know if we will reopen, or if we can, if it’s safe to reopen,” co-owner Crystal O’Connor told TheBlaze TV. “We’re in hiding basically, staying in the house.”

Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Yeah, that's a great way to get more donations, isn't it? Poor us, we can't work. 1st thing this morning I read those donations were at 40k, now it's 50k.

Next week they'll be laughing their tanned asses off while on a beach in the Caribbean.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE.

That is not true. We have a regulated marketplace and the state has the power to pass laws which ensure it operates efficiently

And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.

Rights do not have to harm anyone in order for them to be limited. Falsely yelling "Fire" in a crowded theatre is considered endangerment even if no one reacts. And that's not the only example where rights are limited even if no one is harmed.

Besides, this sort of discrimination hurts commerce which causes a harm to the nation as a whole.
 
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I wish them lots of luck, all bad, in all of their future projects.

Any moron is free to enter the business world.....again and again and again.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Look, you dunno the diff between actual discrimination and *criticism*

Why would i, how could i, bother to boycott a shanty town pizza joint that refuses to serve me anyway and is 500 miles away?

But the one thing i can do is condemn them for their *hateful attitude*, and you aren't going to stop me

Yes I do know the difference. Considering your comments in this thread....its discrimination.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I read another news report about a reporter that ruined the life of a family and small business. The place closed, maybe temporarily, maybe for good because of death threats from liberals.



What does that have to do with this thread?




"Tolerance is giving to every human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Then exercise your right to not go into business.

I also have a right to open a business. So long as I'm not harming anyone. Why would you deny me that right?
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Sorry but just because someone opens up a business does not mean that their rights to religion or free association goes away. I know that you wish it were otherwise but that is just not the case.

As for the business suffering, that's the owner of the businesses choice isn't it? I know this might be a foreign concept to some people but not everyone opens up a business just to make money.

As for my "braying" I'm sure that you're well aware that I personally support SSM...right? I've got the posting history to prove it both here and in other forums. For instance, ask Hicup (who is against SSM) how much we debated SSM in the past via a PM.

What you don't seem to understand is that there are actually people out there that support actual RIGHTS. Not emotional appeals or belief systems based on emotion. Gays have a right to marry. Companies have a right to associate with who they want. NO ONE has a right to force a service from ANYONE. And if that means defending a companies right to discriminate against gays, blacks, whites or whatever then yes, I will do so. I won't give them my business. But I sure as hell will defend their Rights. Because those Rights are the same ones that I have and no way in hell am I going to give up ANY Right. No matter how messed up that Right can be used for. The only way that a Right can be abridged is if it harms someone. And denying a service does not harm ANYONE.

I'll have to get out by COTUS and the BOR, as I must have missed these rights.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Yes I do know the difference. Considering your comments in this thread....its discrimination.

if i dished out to them as much retribution as suffering they wish to cause to lgbt...

that would be exactly what they deserve

all you're doing is making me associate you with them
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

LOL don't you see that is what they're doing to homosexuals? Except one is bronze age beliefs that have no merit, while the other is an identity

Another example of how you haven't criticized so much as discriminated against. (IE: Your little jab here at a belief system)

no all you're saying is that boycotting a business that won't serve blacks is legitimate opposition, while *criticizing* a business that won't serve gays is discrimination...

It's discrimination when you want force used to stop a business from discrimination. It's discrimination when you base your argument on ad homs toward another belief system.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Then you don't know the meaning of the word tolerance. here I will post it for you.

the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with


except when spouting your own bigoted views then you are very tolerant.



That is up for people to decide.

does pedophilia fall under your tolerance umbrella?
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What does that have to do with this thread?




"Tolerance is giving to every human being every right that you claim for yourself."
~Robert Green Ingersoll

You mentioned that the pizzeria closed, not why. The owners were afraid for their lives and the safety of their staff. They didn't seek out the notoriety, they were sought out by a local news caster. The unintended consequence of her news report was the loss of a family business and fear created for the family.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

I read another news report about a reporter that ruined the life of a family and small business. The place closed, maybe temporarily, maybe for good because of death threats from liberals.

That sword cuts both ways.
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

What's stopping you from throwing lots of pizza parties for lots of gay people then? :roll:

Money. If I was Bill Gates you can bet that I would. Weddings are fun!
 
Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

Yeah, that's a great way to get more donations, isn't it? Poor us, we can't work. 1st thing this morning I read those donations were at 40k, now it's 50k.

Next week they'll be laughing their tanned asses off while on a beach in the Caribbean.

There was a family owned pizza place in the town i'm from, bout the same size.

They'd get 5-6 sales on a good day. $50k for "lost business" when they voluntarily shut down on a day or two for no reason just shows how imbecilic gay bashers are
 
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