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Thread: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, they said they wouldn't provide pizza to someone who came into their pizzeria, no mention of them actually having to deliver the pizza.
    You don't even know what the owners said. Why are you involving yourself here if you're not familiar with the facts?

    "The O’Connors said they would not deny service to people who came into the restaurant based on their sexual orientation, but would draw the line at providing service for a same-sex wedding ceremony".

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You don't even know what the owners said. Why are you involving yourself here if you're not familiar with the facts?

    "The O’Connors said they would not deny service to people who came into the restaurant based on their sexual orientation, but would draw the line at providing service for a same-sex wedding ceremony".
    It's on video of her saying that. On the video that started this whole thing.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/video...t=mozilla&tt=b

    They didn't say providing service, she said providing pizzas. They have never catered any event, ever. So the only thing they could be referring to would be providing pizzas to people ordering them at the counter, mentioning they would be used at a same sex wedding, something they said they couldn't do because that would be condoning the wedding, something they did not agree with. The people interviewing them after the controversy concerning them started were very careful to avoid getting into exactly how she phrased it in the first video because they wanted to play it off as if they weren't really going to ever have any chance of refusing a same sex couple because they didn't actually "cater" any event. But that isn't what she said. They can simply say "we don't provide catering services at all" if anyone asked them to cater any wedding, gay or straight. (Who would expect them to anyways if they don't have anything saying they do that?) But the way she phrased it is more likely (even if still unlikely given the nature of the event and the type of food) to happen, a person coming up to the counter or ordering over the phone several pizzas to take or pick up to take to a "gay" wedding.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No doubt in my mind.
    Yes, you're apparently supposed to feel awful because her doctor had to call it in to the local CVS instead of the local Walgreens.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not "absence", refusal of one. There is a difference.
    Oh please....You're just mad that your's and other liberal extremist use of an argument that was so ridiculous as to be akin to using a sledge hammer to kill a fly, and having it bounce back and nail you in the head.

    Look, I've said it many, many times on these boards, and anyone that knows me, I mean really knows me, knows that I couldn't care less if homosexuals get married. I've stuck up in the past for their rights to be involved in life decisions, visiting rights in end time decisions, adoption, and other areas, many times arguing against my conservative brethren. But this is getting carried away...When the militant gay community joins up with the loony professional activist crowd to start forcing their belief system down everyone's throat, then they cross the line...Lot's of people may stick up for the underdog, but not when that underdog becomes the bully, and that's what this has become.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please....You're just mad that your's and other liberal extremist use of an argument that was so ridiculous as to be akin to using a sledge hammer to kill a fly, and having it bounce back and nail you in the head.

    Look, I've said it many, many times on these boards, and anyone that knows me, I mean really knows me, knows that I couldn't care less if homosexuals get married. I've stuck up in the past for their rights to be involved in life decisions, visiting rights in end time decisions, adoption, and other areas, many times arguing against my conservative brethren. But this is getting carried away...When the militant gay community joins up with the loony professional activist crowd to start forcing their belief system down everyone's throat, then they cross the line...Lot's of people may stick up for the underdog, but not when that underdog becomes the bully, and that's what this has become.
    This is about public accommodation laws, laws that ensure fairness in trade.

    I'm fine with people declaring that they don't support same sex marriage, feel it is against their religion, but will still serve everyone, including people trying to get items for a same sex wedding, because 9 times out of 10, just saying that will get respect from the person and have them go somewhere else. There is always that asshole. But guess what? We all have to deal with assholes when we have jobs. It happens.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is about public accommodation laws, laws that ensure fairness in trade.

    I'm fine with people declaring that they don't support same sex marriage, feel it is against their religion, but will still serve everyone, including people trying to get items for a same sex wedding, because 9 times out of 10, just saying that will get respect from the person and have them go somewhere else. There is always that asshole. But guess what? We all have to deal with assholes when we have jobs. It happens.
    Except this wasn't about some asshole that wouldn't serve gays or anything of the sort...This was an activist reporter that wanted to invent a controversy in this little town by searching out an establishment in the town that was displaying an Easter display in their pizza joint, and going in and inventing a premise that wouldn't exist in actual life for them....

    They even said that they couldn't care less if gays came into their establishment and wanted to order a pizza, they would serve them like any other customer...but NO, that wasn't good enough, they had to agree to go further and do something that they don't offer in the first place, catering, and when the response was no, that was a jackpot for the intolerant militants to target them, and threaten everything from disrupting their business, to burning it down...you should be proud that you are defending that mindset....not.

    If it is about 'public accommodation' then go after it in the legislature, not with the mob....

    This isn't about whether or not you personally feel that people have a right to their religious beliefs anymore, this is about the liberal 'mob machine' using force to get done on the street what they can't get done in the legislature...if you ask me it's un American.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's on video of her saying that. On the video that started this whole thing.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/video...t=mozilla&tt=b

    They didn't say providing service, she said providing pizzas. They have never catered any event, ever. So the only thing they could be referring to would be providing pizzas to people ordering them at the counter, mentioning they would be used at a same sex wedding, something they said they couldn't do because that would be condoning the wedding, something they did not agree with. The people interviewing them after the controversy concerning them started were very careful to avoid getting into exactly how she phrased it in the first video because they wanted to play it off as if they weren't really going to ever have any chance of refusing a same sex couple because they didn't actually "cater" any event. But that isn't what she said. They can simply say "we don't provide catering services at all" if anyone asked them to cater any wedding, gay or straight. (Who would expect them to anyways if they don't have anything saying they do that?) But the way she phrased it is more likely (even if still unlikely given the nature of the event and the type of food) to happen, a person coming up to the counter or ordering over the phone several pizzas to take or pick up to take to a "gay" wedding.
    And if you watch the video and see the frontage of the shop, the sign says "We Deliver".

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is about public accommodation laws, laws that ensure fairness in trade.

    I'm fine with people declaring that they don't support same sex marriage, feel it is against their religion, but will still serve everyone, including people trying to get items for a same sex wedding, because 9 times out of 10, just saying that will get respect from the person and have them go somewhere else. There is always that asshole. But guess what? We all have to deal with assholes when we have jobs. It happens.
    There's no fairness in forcing people to violate their consciences

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's on video of her saying that. On the video that started this whole thing.

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/video...t=mozilla&tt=b

    They didn't say providing service, she said providing pizzas. They have never catered any event, ever. So the only thing they could be referring to would be providing pizzas to people ordering them at the counter, mentioning they would be used at a same sex wedding, something they said they couldn't do because that would be condoning the wedding, something they did not agree with. The people interviewing them after the controversy concerning them started were very careful to avoid getting into exactly how she phrased it in the first video because they wanted to play it off as if they weren't really going to ever have any chance of refusing a same sex couple because they didn't actually "cater" any event. But that isn't what she said. They can simply say "we don't provide catering services at all" if anyone asked them to cater any wedding, gay or straight. (Who would expect them to anyways if they don't have anything saying they do that?) But the way she phrased it is more likely (even if still unlikely given the nature of the event and the type of food) to happen, a person coming up to the counter or ordering over the phone several pizzas to take or pick up to take to a "gay" wedding.
    It seems you really haven't watched the video. They say again that they would serve Gays but not serve Gay weddings. Anything beyond that is what you appear to be reading into it.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    There's no fairness in forcing people to violate their consciences
    That cuts both ways. I will quote you on it some day.

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