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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your opening proposition that Christians committing 'human sacrifice' is IMHO now thoroughly debunked...The only way you can make your point seems to be in that there may or may not be some fringe groups somewhere, that at some point in history have been tied in some way to human sacrifice in NO WAY means that the State keeping its nose out of religion constitutionally is up for interpretation. Face it, you used a ridiculous, hyperbolic example, and it should draw nothing but dismissal and laughter....

    This pizza joint, who doesn't do catering in the first place, and was set up to answer a stupid question, by a stupid reporter should indeed be protected in answering the way that they did, and you don't have to like it...But to compare protecting them to somehow condoning some centuries past practice by some pagan trash religion in no way responds to my question, so just admit it...You can't...Islam is the closest thing to any mainstream religion that today kills as a result of what their holy book tells them to do, and as such I think diminishes their standing as a religion.
    Except I never said "Christians commit human sacrifice". That is some weird strawman you made up.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    You knew it was coming........

    Wake Up America!

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Well that was pretty stupid.

    Not content with his latest cake idiocy, Crowder Godwins it.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except I never said "Christians commit human sacrifice". That is some weird strawman you made up.
    See, that's the problem, is that you won't name what religions you are talking about, along with recent examples of their attempts at human sacrifice as I asked...You only come back with vague references to either religions centuries past, or some reference to witches and warlocks, as if that meets the parameters of "main stream religion" in the United States....Face it, you have NOTHING.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    No, they are the Judicial branch.

    They decide the Constitutionality of laws, and rule on cases and controversies brought to them through the Court system.

    Too bad you don't like it.
    "Don't like it"? That's YOU saying that, not me....However, I suspect you would be among the first to dislike things from SCOTUS when they decide against your world view...Like say Citizens United....

    There are many problems with SCOTUS today. Everything from deciding cases on precedent, to some of the Justices openly admitting that they look to other countries decisions to decide what should happen in rulings. Not to mention the nature of lifetime appointments.

    So, it's not that I don't like how the system was set up my friend, it's that over time progressives like yourself have cheered the corruption of the system.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    See, that's the problem, is that you won't name what religions you are talking about, along with recent examples of their attempts at human sacrifice as I asked...You only come back with vague references to either religions centuries past, or some reference to witches and warlocks, as if that meets the parameters of "main stream religion" in the United States....Face it, you have NOTHING.
    Because it isn't necessary for such a thing to be recent or to be something commonly practiced, just to be a belief. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that the religion must be "mainstream" for a person to be protected to practice that religion.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because it isn't necessary for such a thing to be recent or to be something commonly practiced, just to be a belief. There is nothing in the Constitution that says that the religion must be "mainstream" for a person to be protected to practice that religion.
    Now you're just looking silly....You've already lost that portion of the argument, now you are just trying to desperately deflect, and change the goalposts....Move on.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Although the focus has been on the many ways the various Religious Freedom bills will affect LGBT Americans, we really should be looking at their affect on women's rights.

    Here is just one recent case

    In Georgia, for example, a pharmacist can refuse to sell a woman a drug, even for non-abortive reasons, if the drug might be used for abortive purposes on occasion.

    Thatís what happened to Brittany Cartrett, who miscarried when she was only around five or six weeks along.

    ďSo we made the decision to not do a D&C and to get a medicine. So he said Iím going to give you this medicine, youíll take it, and it will help you to pass naturally so that you donít have to go the more invasive route,Ē said Brittany Cartrett.

    Source: WGXA.TV
    However, when the doctor called the prescription in to the Walmart pharmacy, he was told no. No reason was given but the drug, Misoprostol, can also induce abortions.

    Walmart is standing behind the pharmacist, Sandip Patel. Itís been Georgia law for 15 years that pharmacists can refuse to fill prescriptions out of personal belief.
    I wonder if the pharmacist is a recent convert to Christianity as the name is obviously from India.

    Walmart said when asked about the refusal, ". . . we encourage them to exercise their professional judgment in . . ." making decisions about filling a prescription. This was not a "professional judgment", in my opinion, it was a religious one.
    ďAnd I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.Ē
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Although the focus has been on the many ways the various Religious Freedom bills will affect LGBT Americans, we really should be looking at their affect on women's rights.

    Here is just one recent case



    I wonder if the pharmacist is a recent convert to Christianity as the name is obviously from India.

    Walmart said when asked about the refusal, ". . . we encourage them to exercise their professional judgment in . . ." making decisions about filling a prescription. This was not a "professional judgment", in my opinion, it was a religious one.
    Oh the horror.... So, go to another pharmacy....My goodness...Why do you feel the need to force people to do something?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh the horror.... So, go to another pharmacy....My goodness...Why do you feel the need to force people to do something?
    She didn't even have to go to another pharmacy. The doctor called it in to another pharmacy after the WalMart guy said no.

    In other words, BFD.
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