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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just wondering if you understand the language saying "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of..."
    Is that absolute? Does that extend to the free exercise of any religion?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I already answered this question.
    Wut? No you didn't. You didn't say or even hint at how bakers would possibly know that a couple who is getting married was in fact a couple who were engaging in adultery before their engagement, unless it's asked or volunteered. Now, tell me again, how often do you think engaged couples are telling cake vendors who are total strangers about their adulterous affairs? You also didn't provide a hint of evidence that the pizza place owners, or any other business owners for that matter, willingly and knowingly provide their products to the celebration of adultery and/or divorce.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that could be a claim easily carried over to other types of customers to deny them service. Different race vs same-race couples, different faith vs same faith couples, even couples of different ages/generations (but still both old enough to get married) vs couples the same age or at least in the same generation. The law says these things are protected against discrimination by business owners selling products or services, when the refusal is based basically on the difference, favoring one set of people/couples over another.
    We're talking only about same sex marriage. The owners of the pizza parlor weren't asked about and didn't weigh in on different race couples, different faith couples, different age couples, etc.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    That's not a very Christian view.
    Matthew 7:1
    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
    You guys always bring that up to try to defend unrighteousness. But you need to read the rest of the story on making judgments. So here's what you're missing.

    The Bible – Is it Wrong to Judge? « The Righter Report

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    Matthew 10:11-12
    10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
    12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    Mathew 11:19
    The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”
    Nothing there helps you out. Jesus also said if people don't repent of their sins they will perish (Luke 13:3).

    Getting back to the pizzeria, I'm glad they came into so much money from the public. And I seriously doubt their views on gay marriage have been altered.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    You guys always bring that up to try to defend unrighteousness. But you need to read the rest of the story on making judgments. So here's what you're missing.

    The Bible – Is it Wrong to Judge? « The Righter Report

    Nothing there helps you out. Jesus also said if people don't repent of their sins they will perish (Luke 13:3).

    Getting back to the pizzeria, I'm glad they came into so much money from the public. And I seriously doubt their views on gay marriage have been altered.

    I didn't know that the Righter Report was cannon. Sure, Jesus said that if people don't repent then they'd face God's judgment.

    But Jesus judged religious hypocrites. He railed against people who claimed to be righteous while condemning others. He didn't condemn anyone else.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Marriage has been determined as a right no less than 14 times by the SCOTUS. And yanno the Federal Marriage Amendment supported by various right wing extremist really doesn't have a hope in hell of passing with the current state of culture and the populace.
    That's a misconception, and still a confusion between rights and privilges

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I didn't know that the Righter Report was cannon. Sure, Jesus said that if people don't repent then they'd face God's judgment.

    But Jesus judged religious hypocrites. He railed against people who claimed to be righteous while condemning others. He didn't condemn anyone else.
    Surely you're not trying to justify gay sex / marriage from the Bible. That just doesn't work for you.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    We're talking only about same sex marriage. The owners of the pizza parlor weren't asked about and didn't weigh in on different race couples, different faith couples, different age couples, etc.
    Doesn't matter. The law could apply the same.

    Why do so many people shy away from these comparisons? If you think someone should be exempted from being sued or violating public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws based on their religious beliefs, then it should and constitutionally has to apply to all beliefs, not just those that a good number of people agree with. I may not agree with such exemptions, and others may not either, but at least it would be constitutionally consistent.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Doesn't matter. The law could apply the same.

    Why do so many people shy away from these comparisons? If you think someone should be exempted from being sued or violating public accommodation/anti-discrimination laws based on their religious beliefs, then it should and constitutionally has to apply to all beliefs, not just those that a good number of people agree with. I may not agree with such exemptions, and others may not either, but at least it would be constitutionally consistent.
    Because I'm only posting about what we know. I could win the Powerball next week. That isn't relevant.

    The topic is about the pizza parlor in Indiana closing. They never said anything about anything but gay marriage.
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