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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    By providing pizza for those people to, from behind a counter. They didnt actually bring pizza from everything we know about the business to any wedding. And she said provide pizza for a gay wedding, not actually "cater" a wedding as some are talking about, as in going to the actual wedding.
    Yes. And? Is there something in here that I didn't say already?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pretty emotional post.

    "to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers."

    Denying them a cake elicits this kind of emotion?
    I cannot think of a BETTER phrase to describe why mankind is doomed.

    "to deny them a cake"


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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, sorry, I don't see the hypocrisy. I don't agree with their views, but I can tell the difference between a same sex marriage celebration and a heterosexual marriage celebration, so I don't see them as being hypocritical.

    If they served admitted adulterers in their stores but refused to serve gay people, yes, that is hypocritical. But in the recent cases, they do serve the gay people. They just don't serve them at their same sex marriage ceremonies.
    The only difference is those involved, that is it. And in many places they are protected from being denied service for that fact, just as if the people claimed their religious views didn't allow them to participate in an interracial or interfaith marriage.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I cannot think of a BETTER phrase to describe why mankind is doomed.

    "to deny them a cake"

    Oh the humanity!
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The only difference is those involved, that is it. And in many places they are protected from being denied service for that fact, just as if the people claimed their religious views didn't allow them to participate in an interracial or interfaith marriage.
    Again....and? The difference is those involved. Yes, one is a couple of the opposite sex, one is a couple of the same sex. Do you think that I or anyone else on here doesn't understand what "same sex marriage" is, and you need to define it for us?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, sorry, I don't see the hypocrisy. I don't agree with their views, but I can tell the difference between a same sex marriage celebration and a heterosexual marriage celebration, so I don't see them as being hypocritical.

    If they served admitted adulterers in their stores but refused to serve gay people, yes, that is hypocritical. But in the recent cases, they do serve the gay people. They just don't serve them at their same sex marriage ceremonies.
    A gay marriage and an adulterous heterosexual marriage are absolutely no different in conservative Christian theology. They are both sinful and displeasing to God. If the wedding vendors are citing their conservative, Christian beliefs to deny services to one but not the other then they are hypocrites. Trying to shape the argument as "same-sex marriages versus heterosexual marriages" is intellectually dishonest. That is not the argument the vendors made. They stated they were justified to deny services because of their RELIGION not because they disapproved of same-sex ceremonies. They reported that their RELIGION views same-sex ceremonies as sinful. If their RELIGION is going to be their defense then they probably need to be consistent in how they practice it. Their RELIGION dictates that adulterous heterosexual marriage is sinful.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pretty emotional post.

    "to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers."

    Denying them a cake elicits this kind of emotion?
    No, being angry at inhuman discriminators and hatemongers elicits that kind of emotion. Christians think they are still above respecting the rights of others (sadly) and other religious groups seem to have that same problem.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    A gay marriage and an adulterous heterosexual marriage are absolutely no different in conservative Christian theology. They are both sinful and displeasing to God. If the wedding vendors are citing their conservative, Christian beliefs to deny services to one but not the other then they are hypocrites. Trying to shape the argument as "same-sex marriages versus heterosexual marriages" is intellectually dishonest. That is not the argument the vendors made. They stated they were justified to deny services because of their RELIGION not because they disapproved of same-sex ceremonies. They reported that their RELIGION views same-sex ceremonies as sinful. If their RELIGION is going to be their defense then they probably need to be consistent in how they practice it. Their RELIGION dictates that adulterous heterosexual marriage is sinful.
    Okay, so once again, how do you think they know that they are baking a cake for an adulterous heterosexual marriage? Do you think that the couple tells the baker (a complete stranger) that they were adulterous lovers before they got engaged?

    You can only object to something you know to be a case. Unless you know it to be the case, tell me how exactly you are supposed to object to it?

    Unless they know, all it is is a heterosexual wedding. Kindly spare me the "intellectual dishonesty" argument. You have yet to prove that they are hypocrites. You just think you have because you assume they knowingly cater to adulterous couples who are getting married. Please prove your assertion.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, so once again, how do you think they know that they are baking a cake for an adulterous heterosexual marriage? Do you think that the couple tells the baker (a complete stranger) that they were adulterous lovers before they got engaged?

    You can only object to something you know to be a case. Unless you know it to be the case, tell me how exactly you are supposed to object to it?

    Unless they know, all it is is a heterosexual wedding. Kindly spare me the "intellectual dishonesty" argument. You have yet to prove that they are hypocrites. You just think you have because you assume they knowingly cater to adulterous couples who are getting married. Please prove your assertion.
    I already answered this question.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Again....and? The difference is those involved. Yes, one is a couple of the opposite sex, one is a couple of the same sex. Do you think that I or anyone else on here doesn't understand what "same sex marriage" is, and you need to define it for us?
    And that could be a claim easily carried over to other types of customers to deny them service. Different race vs same-race couples, different faith vs same faith couples, even couples of different ages/generations (but still both old enough to get married) vs couples the same age or at least in the same generation. The law says these things are protected against discrimination by business owners selling products or services, when the refusal is based basically on the difference, favoring one set of people/couples over another.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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