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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pretty emotional post.

    "to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers."

    Denying them a cake elicits this kind of emotion?
    I think the emotion is spawned from the perceived intolerance and hypocrisy? How many of these "religious" businesses have provided services to divorcees and adulterers but deny it to gay couples?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pretty emotional post.

    "to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers."

    Denying them a cake elicits this kind of emotion?
    I think the emotion is spawned from the perceived intolerance and hypocrisy? How many of these "religious" businesses have provided services to divorcees and adulterers but deny it to gay couples?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I think the emotion is spawned from the perceived intolerance and hypocrisy? How many of these "religious" businesses have provided services to divorcees and adulterers but deny it to gay couples?
    I'm curious, what services did they provide for adulterers and divorcees? Adulterer coming out parties (I assume the "other woman" and wife were there, too)? Divorce celebrations? Did they cater the divorce mediation meetings?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm curious, what services did they provide for adulterers and divorcees? Adulterer coming out parties (I assume the "other woman" and wife were there, too)? Divorce celebrations? Did they cater the divorce mediation meetings?
    They provided floral arrangements, cakes, and other wedding services for adulterers and divorvees who were getting married. Jesus said nothing in the Bible about homosexuality, but he made his feelings very clear about serial monogamy.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    They provided floral arrangements, cakes, and other wedding services for adulterers and divorvees who were getting married. Jesus said nothing in the Bible about homosexuality, but he made his feelings very clear about serial monogamy.
    And unless I read it wrong, they also said they serve gay people pizza, and flowers, and photo shoots, and so on. They didn't want to participate in anything having to do with the marriage ceremony, which they say they oppose.

    They don't disapprove of heterosexual marriages.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And unless I read it wrong, they also said they serve gay people pizza, and flowers, and photo shoots, and so on. They didn't want to participate in anything having to do with the marriage ceremony, which they say they oppose.

    They don't disapprove of heterosexual marriages.
    So if a self proclaimed Christian baker refused to provide a cake for a gay wedding ceremony and cited they did so because they perceive that as sinful but would provide a cake for an adulterer who was having their second marriage, you see nothing hypocritical about that?

    They are both wedding ceremonies. Homosexuality and adulterers getting remarried are both sins. Why can the baker refuse one and both the other?

    Matthew 19:9

    "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

    Direct commandment from Jesus. You divorce your wife when she did not cheat on you and marry another woman, then you are an adulterer. Why can a "religious" baker provide a cake for that wedding but not a same sex wedding? How is that not hypocritical?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So if a self proclaimed Christian baker refused to provide a cake for a gay wedding ceremony and cited they did so because they perceive that as sinful but would provide a cake for an adulterer who was having their second marriage, you see nothing hypocritical about that?

    They are both wedding ceremonies. Homosexuality and adulterers getting remarried are both sins. Why can the baker refuse one and both the other?

    Matthew 19:9

    "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

    Direct commandment from Jesus. You divorce your wife when she did not cheat on you and marry another woman, then you are an adulterer. Why can a "religious" baker provide a cake for that wedding but not a same sex wedding? How is that not hypocritical?
    Please spare me the religious quotes, CT. I observe no religion.

    Once again, according to them, they don't approve of same sex marriage. They approve of heterosexual marriage. So that's a distinct difference there. They are talking about the occasion they are asked to participate in. One they approve of, one they don't.

    So do you suspect the couple who asks them to provide a service for their heterosexual marriage shares intimate details of their past with them? Like, when John & Mary go in to order a wedding cake, do you think they tell the baker (a stranger) "Hey, did you know that John was actually married before but he was cheating on her with me and now we're getting married"?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please spare me the religious quotes, CT. I observe no religion.

    Once again, according to them, they don't approve of same sex marriage. They approve of heterosexual marriage. So that's a distinct difference there. They are talking about the occasion they are asked to participate in. One they approve of, one they don't.

    So do you suspect the couple who asks them to provide a service for their heterosexual marriage shares intimate details of their past with them? Like, when John & Mary go in to order a wedding cake, do you think they tell the baker (a stranger) "Hey, did you know that John was actually married before but he was cheating on her with me and now we're getting married"?
    If the baker is truly concerned with displeasing their God by providing a cake for a wedding that endorses a sinful behavior, then they probably should find out if the couple had been married before.

    It is HYPOCRISY. You know it. Whether or not the baker should be free to refuse service is a separate issue. But they are hypocrites.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please spare me the religious quotes, CT. I observe no religion.

    Once again, according to them, they don't approve of same sex marriage. They approve of heterosexual marriage. So that's a distinct difference there. They are talking about the occasion they are asked to participate in. One they approve of, one they don't.

    So do you suspect the couple who asks them to provide a service for their heterosexual marriage shares intimate details of their past with them? Like, when John & Mary go in to order a wedding cake, do you think they tell the baker (a stranger) "Hey, did you know that John was actually married before but he was cheating on her with me and now we're getting married"?
    By providing pizza for those people to, from behind a counter. They didnt actually bring pizza from everything we know about the business to any wedding. And she said provide pizza for a gay wedding, not actually "cater" a wedding as some are talking about, as in going to the actual wedding.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If the baker is truly concerned with displeasing their God by providing a cake for a wedding that endorses a sinful behavior, then they probably should find out if the couple had been married before.

    It is HYPOCRISY. You know it. Whether or not the baker should be free to refuse service is a separate issue. But they are hypocrites.
    No, sorry, I don't see the hypocrisy. I don't agree with their views, but I can tell the difference between a same sex marriage celebration and a heterosexual marriage celebration, so I don't see them as being hypocritical.

    If they served admitted adulterers in their stores but refused to serve gay people, yes, that is hypocritical. But in the recent cases, they do serve the gay people. They just don't serve them at their same sex marriage ceremonies.
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