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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Freedom is definitely a one-way street these days.

    Apparently, we all have the freedom to do whatever liberals say we can do.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    New York City has lots of pizzerias, I've never heard of any of them refusing to cater gay weddings. Does that surprise anyone?


    You really think some of those old school gooombahs italian catholics are all pro-gay?


    even today? o.O
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You really think some of those old school gooombahs italian catholics are all pro-gay?



    even today? o.O


    I've never spent any time thinking about that. I guess that they are what they are.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Freedom is definitely a one-way street these days.

    Apparently, we all have the freedom to do whatever liberals say we can do.
    Should businesses be able to refuse Christians?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Note: Had to reduce what is quoted due to exceeding character limit. I did try and respond to everything that you said though.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) You are talking about harm to commerce......
    Discrimination once did cause harm to commerce across the US. It no longer does. There are far too many businesses and people for that to happen anymore. Not to mention the change in society.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And zoning laws are not about protecting the environment
    Yes it is. Or would you really want a coal power plant sitting right next to your house? How about a garbage dump that is privately ran? Or how about a steel factory? Bet you'd highly object to the harmful chemicals being spewed out right next to your house for health issues...and rightly so.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong.
    When it comes to the US you would be wrong where it concerns the federal government. When the Constitution was originally written the only power the Feds had was to basically be an arbiter between states when it came to interstate commerce. That changed when the Constitution started to be re-interpreted.

    As far as the States goes, only so far as it concerns harm.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And I don't want to derail this into a discussion about MJ but allowing the sale of it does not inhibit commerce. It has the opposite effect.
    That wasn't the point of what I said. The whole "no harm no foul" in regards to your stance on MJ had to do with your belief that the government should not be regulating it because it doesn't harm anyone. Is that stance only applicable to something that you are for?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Regulating consumers in such a way has never been considered a legitimate exercise of govt power in this country (nor in many others) which is why the constitution does not give the govt such a power.
    Yet that is exactly what's happening by you wanting the government to enforce the affirmative action laws when it comes to forcing businesses to provide a service to someone that they do not want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm not sure that is true.
    Which means that any business that could have been conducted as a result of that traveling (such as renting a hotel room) cannot be conducted. But hey, lets use another example. Same question only in place of CT input the businesses that threatened to pull out of Indiana. Or those businesses that pulled their ads from Rush Limbaugh show due to his perceived racism? I could use many many MANY more examples. It all ends the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    My business is interstate, not intrastate, but my point is.......
    Sorry, meant interstate in that one part.

    As for your point. It doesn't apply to today's society anymore. There are far too many businesses and people in this country. You very easily could go/call the next autoshop on the next street corner which has a probability of helping you that outweighs them not helping you. It wouldn't even apply to a town that only has 200 people living in it. For the simple fact that your cell phone can call someone in the next town that is bigger and only, at most, a few hours away. For instance I once lived in a town that held 150 people. One autoshop, one restaurant, one gas station, one bar, one mom and pop grocery store. The next nearest towns was exactly the same distance away from it going in opposite directions. Those towns both had over 10-20 thousand people living in it. The drive to AND from those towns was 1 hour total (30 mins one way). The chances of you not finding someone that could help you were next to 0.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I personally believe that every business that is open to the public should be required to serve the entire public.
    So....force servitude. No thanks. Some inconveniences are worth the Right to association. No matter what impact it may or may not have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I like what Robert Green Ingersoll had to say about tolerance: "Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself."
    personally opinions are just that personal opinions please see the 2 definitions I posted on what the real meaning of tolerance is.
    it is not what he said. that is his personal opinion which is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    well name one thing of value religion contributes in the 21st century

    and i'm talking the bronze age book of fables known as the bible - what these small town yokels cling to - not pantheism, deism, jainism or hell, even nihilism might have more utility
    Completely off topic but please - stop calling or labeling the bible a "bronze age book" as none of it was composed during that period (c. 3000 - 1200 BCE) and much of it was written down after the Iron Age (c. 1200 - 550 BCE)
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    It's a small midwest town and my own experiences with small midwest towns leaves me to believe that is the likelihood. Can you prove that's not the case? No, of course, since neither know anyone there much less a gay kid to ask

    Although i'm sure you would dismiss it as cowardly paranoia anyway
    I'm not the one claiming a positive circumstance. You are. If you can't back it up then all that you're doing is showing bigotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Should businesses be able to refuse Christians?
    If they want to yes.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

    Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties?

    My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.
    They're using it to make money under the guise of being "oppressed". They raised $90,000 in 16 hrs to "relieve the financial loss endured by the proprietors’ stand for faith." Sorry, 96,500 now, it's gone up while I was writing this post.
    Support Memories Pizza by Lawrence Billy Jones III - GoFundMe

    And getting some rough numbers for profitability, the average pizza shop makes 7%. Even if we give them more than that, then they've just done the equivalent of about $1 million in sales or 75,000 pizzas. Basically, for a small time Pizza shop, this is YEARS of profits.
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