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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If one doesn't approve of raping are they a bigot? Under this definition they technically are:

    : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

    But in reality the term is reserved for the latter part so no, they would not be bigots.
    Really? They are 'not' bigots if they believe certain sinful behaviors are wrong but they ARE bigots if they believe other forms of sinful behavior are wrong? What is the source of 'right' or 'wrong' then regard to those behaviors?

    Oh...heres another question. Why are Dolce and Gabanna NOT bigots and homophobes for believing gay marriage is ridiculous and wrong, yet Christians (ooops...lets clarify...CONSERVATIVE Christians) ARE labelled bigots and homophobes for the same belief?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

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    Really? They are 'not' bigots if they believe certain sinful behaviors are wrong but they ARE bigots if they believe other forms of sinful behavior are wrong? What is the source of 'right' or 'wrong' then regard to those behaviors?

    Oh...heres another question. Why are Dolce and Gabanna NOT bigots and homophobes for believing gay marriage is ridiculous and wrong, yet Christians (ooops...lets clarify...CONSERVATIVE Christians) ARE labelled bigots and homophobes for the same belief?
    I don't believe in sin. That should answer your first part... being gay is not harmful to others like raping and killing. To even suggest such a thing is LITERALLY stupid.

    No idea who those two are but if they profess as you state then they are also bigots.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't believe in sin. That should answer your first part... being gay is not harmful to others like raping and killing. To even suggest such a thing is LITERALLY stupid.

    No idea who those two are but if they profess as you state then they are also bigots.
    Fine. I dont see 'sin' the same as others do as well. But in the catalogue of behaviors, homosexuality IS considered just as much a sin as lying or murder. Everything other than the factual interpretation is mere moral equivalence. Its 'right' or 'wrong' because you WANT it to be, not because it is or isnt.

    Yes...Im sure Dolce and Gabanna are both bigots and homophobes. What of other gay people that agree with the pizzeria owners about their stated choices? Are they too bigots and homophobes?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't believe in sin. That should answer your first part... being gay is not harmful to others like raping and killing. To even suggest such a thing is LITERALLY stupid.

    No idea who those two are but if they profess as you state then they are also bigots.
    Here's another of your right-wing Christian bigots. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's another of your right-wing Christian bigots. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”
    Oh no. You see...thats DIFFERENT. Besides...he didnt REALLY mean that. He is a liar. But THEIR kind of liar.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yes...Im sure Dolce and Gabanna are both bigots and homophobes. What of other gay people that agree with the pizzeria owners about their stated choices? Are they too bigots and homophobes?
    One can be a bigot against their own group. My grandmother is a sexist bigot against women... go figure, but she is. I would have to hear what theose other gay people are saying... I try not to catagorize without information.

    Fine. I dont see 'sin' the same as others do as well. But in the catalogue of behaviors, homosexuality IS considered just as much a sin as lying or murder. Everything other than the factual interpretation is mere moral equivalence. Its 'right' or 'wrong' because you WANT it to be, not because it is or isnt.
    I should have clarified that I was not insulting you. I am sure you won't lose sleep but I did not intend to be a jerk with that stupid comment.

    That said, according to many religions homosexuality is a sin. I think that is dumb. I think religions are divisive and harmful. I think more harm has been caused by religion than can even EVER be compared to how much good it has done. Spirituality... great. Belief in God... great. Religion... generally horrible. It isn't religion that teaches tolerance and peace as those are already human traits.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's another of your right-wing Christian bigots. “I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.”
    I assume you don't mean "my right wing bigots"? That said, who said that? Marriage should/is between two people that love each other.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    One can be a bigot against their own group. My grandmother is a sexist bigot against women... go figure, but she is. I would have to hear what theose other gay people are saying... I try not to catagorize without information.



    I should have clarified that I was not insulting you. I am sure you won't lose sleep but I did not intend to be a jerk with that stupid comment.

    That said, according to many religions homosexuality is a sin. I think that is dumb. I think religions are divisive and harmful. I think more harm has been caused by religion than can even EVER be compared to how much good it has done. Spirituality... great. Belief in God... great. Religion... generally horrible. It isn't religion that teaches tolerance and peace as those are already human traits.
    Dolce & Gabbana Break The Internet Coming Out Against Gay Parenthood, Elton John Cries Vendetta - Forbes
    The fashion power-duo, who are worth $1.65 billion each and are the 27th richest men in Italy, were the subject of a cover story for Italian weekly Panorama titled “Long-Live the [Traditional] Family,” in which the designers came out against the use of surrogate mothers while claiming children need “a mother and a father.” Dolce, in part of the interview, added “I’m not convinced with what I call chemical children, a rented uterus, semen selected from a catalogue.”
    Gabbana went deeper into the concept of the “classical” Italian family, noting, “family isn’t a fleeting trend, in it there’s a sense of belonging.” In another point of the interview, they said “life has a natural trajectory, there are things that should not be altered.”

    Twenty of those dollars, however, have come from an unlikely source: Courtney Hoffman, Courtney, who is lesbian, wrote, along with her donation, that, “As a member of the gay community, I would like to apologize for the mean spirited attacks on you and your business. I know many gay individuals who fully support your rights to stand up for your beliefs and run your business according to those beliefs. We are outraged at the level of hate and intolerance that has been directed at you and I sincerely hope you are able to rebuild.”
    She added: “My girlfriend and I are small business owners, and we think there is a difference between operating in a public market space and then attaching the name of your business to a private event,” Hoffman said in a radio interview. “Like, if we were asked to set up at an anti-gay marriage rally, I mean, we would have to decline.”
    Hoffman said the “horrible, hate-filled attacks” against the pizzeria and its Christian owners did not reflect the gay community that she has come to know and love. “The gay community that we know knows full well what it’s like to be condemned for doing nothing but living your life according to your beliefs,” she added. “We know so many gay individuals that fully support the freedom of living your life according to your beliefs and feel that freedom extends to everyone, even the people that we don’t agree with.”
    Shortly after, two other members of the LGBTQ community made two sizable donations of $250 each.
    Lesbian couple donate money to controversial Indiana pizzeria | LGBT Weekly

    While you are right I wouldnt lose sleep over it, I didnt take your comments as an insult BTW. But I do appreciate your clarification.

    Its all well and good for people to deny God, religion and morality. However, unless you grew up with wolves in a cave, you HAVE been influenced by religion in the rule of law. You may not recognize your values as 'morals' (religious based morals that is) but they ARE. Of COURSE they are. They are taught and learned from the earliest of ages. If you WERE raised by wolves, few of the compassionate things we do as humans would make much sense.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dolce & Gabbana Break The Internet Coming Out Against Gay Parenthood, Elton John Cries Vendetta - Forbes
    The fashion power-duo, who are worth $1.65 billion each and are the 27th richest men in Italy, were the subject of a cover story for Italian weekly Panorama titled “Long-Live the [Traditional] Family,” in which the designers came out against the use of surrogate mothers while claiming children need “a mother and a father.” Dolce, in part of the interview, added “I’m not convinced with what I call chemical children, a rented uterus, semen selected from a catalogue.”
    Gabbana went deeper into the concept of the “classical” Italian family, noting, “family isn’t a fleeting trend, in it there’s a sense of belonging.” In another point of the interview, they said “life has a natural trajectory, there are things that should not be altered.”

    Twenty of those dollars, however, have come from an unlikely source: Courtney Hoffman, Courtney, who is lesbian, wrote, along with her donation, that, “As a member of the gay community, I would like to apologize for the mean spirited attacks on you and your business. I know many gay individuals who fully support your rights to stand up for your beliefs and run your business according to those beliefs. We are outraged at the level of hate and intolerance that has been directed at you and I sincerely hope you are able to rebuild.”
    She added: “My girlfriend and I are small business owners, and we think there is a difference between operating in a public market space and then attaching the name of your business to a private event,” Hoffman said in a radio interview. “Like, if we were asked to set up at an anti-gay marriage rally, I mean, we would have to decline.”
    Hoffman said the “horrible, hate-filled attacks” against the pizzeria and its Christian owners did not reflect the gay community that she has come to know and love. “The gay community that we know knows full well what it’s like to be condemned for doing nothing but living your life according to your beliefs,” she added. “We know so many gay individuals that fully support the freedom of living your life according to your beliefs and feel that freedom extends to everyone, even the people that we don’t agree with.”
    Shortly after, two other members of the LGBTQ community made two sizable donations of $250 eachs.
    Lesbian couple donate money to controversial Indiana pizzeria | LGBT Weekly

    While you are right I wouldnt lose sleep over it, I didnt take your comments as an insult BTW. But I do appreciate your clarification.

    Its all well and good for people to deny God, religion and morality. However, unless you grew up with wolves in a cave, you HAVE been influenced by religion in the rule of law. You may not recognize your values as 'morals' (religious based morals that is) but they ARE. Of COURSE they are. They are taught and learned from the earliest of ages. If you WERE raised by wolves, few of the compassionate things we do as humans would make much sense.
    Yeah... raised in the USA and Christians we are influenced. My point was that religion is not unique to those sentiments or traits.

    I will read the rest of that later... tired... on holiday... just put kids to bed.... big day chilling on tropical beaches tomorrow... drinking some wine... Old School is on... can't be serious...
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    There is no legal right to discriminate! And there is also no moral right to do so.

    The fact that these moron bakers think they have a religious right to discriminate is bull crap, un-Christian, evil, immoral and illegal. And not allowing public accommodations to discriminate is nothing like governments denying people the right to be free, the only thing this law prevents is asswipe bakers from discriminate and that is just great, no invalid use of government force but a government who enforces the civil rights of everybody in America to not discriminated against for their color, gender, age or religion.

    A wedding cake is not a religious expression of faith, it is a party cake for 2 people who have joined in a lasting partnership and just because there are haters who want to deny gays the happiness of marriage is bad enough, but to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers.

    If there is a heaven they will be judged for their crimes against their fellow man just like they are here on earth, it is not their place to judge last time I checked and it is not their place to decide who is allowed to marry or not, that is the people, not the Christian Taliban of America.
    Pretty emotional post.

    "to deny them a cake when they are participating in a legally allowed practice of marriage is nothing short but petty and disgusting of these bakers."

    Denying them a cake elicits this kind of emotion?
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