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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    According to the First Amendment it does. The Law has to reflect freedom of religion.
    Actually, this is not true. The Freedom of Religion found in the First Amendment does not give religion a trump card on laws.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, this is not true. The Freedom of Religion found in the First Amendment does not give religion a trump card on laws.
    No mention that it trumps any laws. I said the law has to reflect freedom of religion.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Any beliefs or practices?
    I don't understand your question.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    No one is forcing anyone into anything. People choose to go into business of their own free will. They can also choose what type of business it will be and most importantly WHO they will serve. If they freely choose to open their business to the public they take on the obligation to SERVE THE PUBLIC. It is actually that simple.
    Yes they are being forced to abandon their religious beliefs, or face legal action.

    So your position is, that a person must give up their religious freedom, their beliefs, and their moral conscience to open a bakery?

    And it is not.
    Certainly it is. Forcing a Muslim, Christian or Jewish bakery owner to provide goods or services for a ceremony that violates their religious beliefs, is asking them to give up their right to believe in the tenets of their religion.

    How is that relevant to anything. Back in the days of Christ there were no wedding planers or caterers everyone organized their own wedding.
    The one that exist to day exist because their respective owners decided that that is the type of business they want to open and open it to the public.
    Refusal to take part in the wedding ceremony, in no way abridges their right to get married. Forcing people to abandon their religious beliefs for someones party, is the height of intolerance.

    Sure it has an effect, discrimination. No one would ask them to plan, cater, etc. a gay wedding if their business was named 'Eternal Bonds Fundamental Christian Weddings' but by choosing to cater to the public they do take on the obligation to serve the public.
    Who are they discriminating against? The answer is "nobody".

    Who is in attendance is absolutely irrelevant... It's the event they object to.

    No the exact opposite is clear, that not only some so called Christians are bigots, but hypocrites too.
    Picking and choosing which sinner to accommodate is anything but what Christianity is about.
    It is?

    Then please tell me when any of these businesses that have been discussed in the last week, have said they will not serve gay people? Every single one of them have made it clear that they will not refuse service to gay people and have not done so.

    And anyone who holds such depply bigoted and hypocritical views has the legal means to not get involved. The price is not having a business that is open to the public.
    You are a bigot. You have just displayed your intolerance for the beliefs of others.

    And that is a good thing. Equal rights are the bedrock of liberty and our nation.
    But it doesn't work both ways... That is the stance of a bigot.

    Because it does not.
    Because religious people are the scum of the earth in your eyes, that do not have rights and do not deserve to be treated equally.

    Your position is one of intolerance and pure bigotry.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    "The principle that government may not enact laws that suppress religious belief or practice is so well understood that few violations are recorded in our opinions." That is how the Supreme Court began its opinion in Church of the Lukumi Babablu Aye v. City of Hiahleah.

    It should be obvious that any right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights may trump a law that restricts that right too far. Laws that discriminate against certain religions will violate the right to free exercise, for example, just as the city ordinances in Lukumi Babalu did.
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    I don't understand your question.
    Does every religion or religious practice trump a law that restricts it?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No it doesn't, it grants the government power to regulate only INTERSTATE commerce.
    Wrong, it also gives the states the power to regulate INTRASTATE commerce
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Yes they are being forced to abandon their religious beliefs, or face legal action.

    So your position is, that a person must give up their religious freedom, their beliefs, and their moral conscience to open a bakery?



    Certainly it is. Forcing a Muslim, Christian or Jewish bakery owner to provide goods or services for a ceremony that violates their religious beliefs, is asking them to give up their right to believe in the tenets of their religion.



    Refusal to take part in the wedding ceremony, in no way abridges their right to get married. Forcing people to abandon their religious beliefs for someones party, is the height of intolerance.



    Who are they discriminating against? The answer is "nobody".

    Who is in attendance is absolutely irrelevant... It's the event they object to.



    It is?

    Then please tell me when any of these businesses that have been discussed in the last week, have said they will not serve gay people? Every single one of them have made it clear that they will not refuse service to gay people and have not done so.



    You are a bigot. You have just displayed your intolerance for the beliefs of others.



    But it doesn't work both ways... That is the stance of a bigot.



    Because religious people are the scum of the earth in your eyes, that do not have rights and do not deserve to be treated equally.

    Your position is one of intolerance and pure bigotry.
    As someone else mentioned, it will be interesting to watch a Gay owner of a pizzeria being forced to deliver a pizza to the Westboro Church if personal discretion is made illegal. It's anything goes and the police will be watching to ensure that everyone's right to pizza delivery is being maintained. The lawyers will certainly be supporting this law.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Actually, what your post says is "I refuse to give my opinion because it might incriminate me"
    Actually, I'm not surprised that the only way you can even attempt to refute me is by making up stuff.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So is homosexuality now a race?
    No. Why would you ask such a silly question?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, I'm not surprised that the only way you can even attempt to refute me is by making up stuff.
    I asked a few questions in there and you failed to address them... It's obvious to me why you didn't, because if you did it would either contradict your stance, or make you look like a fool.

    The inability for a person to answer questions that address their morals and beliefs, is the unfortunate reality those who embrace progressivism must live with. They know that answering such questions can very easily destroy the credibility of their beliefs and completely invalidate them. But you already understand this perfectly, as you make it a practice to avoid such questions at all costs.

    Just a thought, but you might want to give some consideration to embracing beliefs that actually do stand up to scrutiny, because you have no idea just how good it feels to answer any question, any time, without any fear of being exposed or having to run away.

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