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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Irrelevant.
    Yeah, because the constitution gives you the power to make that decision.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, because the constitution gives you the power to make that decision.
    Indeed it does

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yes, a really stupid one and irrelevant to boot.
    Stupid according to you. Millions (billions?) of people think two gay people becoming husband and husband or wife and wife is beyond stupid. Others would find that ordering a penis cake for a stag party is more normal than a gay couple crying discrimination if a baker refuses for religious reasons to write a message acknowledging their union with an icing nozzle. If you can't see that, then, well...

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    Such stupid questions are best left unreasoned.
    Unreasoned, and yet I must be onto something since you seem fixated on my reference to a penis cake, unless you're just a troll?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But I don't expect honesty in your posts.
    What you expect from my posts does not interest me. I write them for other people.

    Couer d'Alene didn't back down. The Hitching Post backed down by re-organizing as a religious organization and changed its' policy so it no longer performs non-christian marriages, which made it exempt from the anti-discrimination regulation
    I read the City Attorney's letter, and he sure as hell did back down. He would have been a fool not to. Cost the town a bundle trying to defend the indefensible in a suit in federal court, and you won't be City Attorney much longer. I've worked in city attorneys' offices, and I know very well the one in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, has neither the time nor the budget to defend federal suits. It probably consists of about three lawyers who have their hands full with everyday legal matters. They would have had to turn this matter over to a private law firm, and that would have gotten very expensive very fast.

    The fact the owners of the Hitching Post had filed the papers that made it a religious organization is irrelevant. It remained a for-profit business, and as such it remained subject to the city ordinance. It was never exempt from that ordinance, although the City Attorney unconvincingly pretended in his letter that it probably was. It is exactly because the ordinance continued to pose the threat of fines and jail time to the Knapps that the federal district court allowed both their suit and their request for a temporary restraining order to prevent the ordinance from being applied to them. If what you are claiming were true, the court would have rejected the suit and the request for a TRO as frivolous, and sanctioned the Knapps' lawyers for wasting its time by filing them.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've already provided a link showing how the cutting of a wedding cake is a religious symbolic gesture in this very thread. You stating the opposite does nothing to disprove that link.
    Wow, you gave us a link of one website in which the cutting of the cake has been transformed into a religious practice.

    Which is bogus of course, because as said, wedding cakes where a Roman tradition.

    The wedding cake can be used as a religious instrument but historically that is what people have made it into.

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    And you can go on and on and on and on and on. Just because people make wedding cakes into something it is not, does not give them a religious Christian meaning and especially not something that makes them so holy that people who are not Christians or straight are not allowed to have them or some gay hating baker can deny gays a cake. Or how that same "Christian" baker should be allowed to deny jews, muslims, atheists, etc. a wedding cake because they are not part of his "illk"?.

    Sorry, but the marriage is over when the priest/judge/whoever says "By the powers vested in me, you are now man and wife" (or man and man, or wife and wife). People can get married and be legally married without wedding cakes or anything that resembles that.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Why do you even give a **** if law abiding citizens are gay?
    Homophobes are scared, something bad might happen. Best let them be bigots and go on.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Wow, you gave us a link of one website in which the cutting of the cake has been transformed into a religious practice.

    Which is bogus of course, because as said, wedding cakes where a Roman tradition.
    You do realize that around 314AD the majority of Romans were Christians right? In any case...you do not have the right to tell someone what is and isn't a part of their faith.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, continuing this lie doesn't change the truth j-mac. The law itself was flawed and the fact that it was changed to ensure no discrimination of gays was allowed reflects that.
    No, the law was changed because of pressure brought to bear by an interest group who saw an opportunity to make hay by mischaracterizing what the law said, and was.

    Continuing this narrative that it was the fault of a reporter is absurd. Did you think the law allowed no discrimination before it entered public discussion?
    It wasn't designed as an anti discrimination law in the first place as I understand it, but rather to give those citizens of faith standing in court...But the militant LGBT's, and liberal anti Christians out there seized on the opportunity to misrepresent, and stir all kinds of faux outrage to force their agenda....They succeeded, Pence caved....

    Wait, what exact difference does it make if the law entered discussion because of a reporter? Does that make the law less flawed? Sour grapes all around.
    Yeah, that's right Hillary...What difference does it make? Well, if you want to continue to rely on a dishonest media, just remember that kind of deception works both ways....When, if ever, the media turns to promoting more of the right wing agenda, then I am sure your tune will change, and amnesia will dominate your arguments about what is going on today....

    In any case, y'all got your way. Pence caved so enjoy, and go straight out and force that 14 year old daughter, at the local Christian bakery to bake you a penis cake in celebration.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    I dont read but anti-SSM is to admit bigotry.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    NYC has several privately run bus companies. Most cities and counties have them. I know for certain that there are privately owned bus companies in the area I now live in.
    Ok, I'll take your word for NYC...That, by no means is "most", or "many", that's one. out of how many cities in the US?

    In any case, I am done with this deflection. You tried to bring up a comparison of a metro, city bus service denying someone access to the bus, disingenuously tying the radical gay movement to the civil rights struggle of the 60s. And now, you are desperately trying to talk about anything other than this latest attack on people that had they not been sought out to make a point would have never been in the news for anything like this anyway...

    This is all so dishonest, it is sickening.
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