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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sloumeau View Post
    I see. So no one should be forced to serve anyone else, eh? So, if they don't want to serve African Americans, Mexican-Americans, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Irish or Italian customers, that is fine with you, right?
    You should have added whites to that list. Though I do realize that you can't possibly put every single race or group in one full post so I don't mind. But yes, I fully believe in a persons right to freedom of association. That does not mean that I would support such a business. In fact I would never give such a business my money. But just because I don't like something does not give me the Right to remove someone else's Rights. Indeed that is exactly what Rights are about. Protecting something that is disagreed with or frowned upon by the general society.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The bill was literally made into law 2 weeks ago. It received criticism from the minute it was passed because it allowed people to discriminate based on another person's sexual orientation. Continuing to claim that some imaginary crime needed to happen for it to be discussed is absurd.



    Laws don't get changed unless people pay attention to them. What I have argued (though not explicitly) is that people would have noticed in the same way they notice discrimination that goes on in countries they don't live in. They research and then discuss topics. Believing the attention paid was the product of a reporter and not the law itself is absurd. Welcome to Politics 101.



    And yet, it wasn't the "perception and attempted twisting of it" that got it changed. You can't twist a law that wouldn't have allowed for discrimination in the first place.



    What reporter? Continuing to assert that nothing would have happened is saying that there was nothing wrong with the law and one person convinced mega-corporations, multinationals, and millions of people that there was something wrong with this law. That is patently absurd.
    That's the lie alright...Congratulations, you have, as usual the narrative to the letter....And it's only been repeated by every liberal hack with a keyboard, or a mic for the past week and a half....Bravo.

    What reporter? Continuing to assert that nothing would have happened is saying that there was nothing wrong with the law and one person convinced mega-corporations, multinationals, and millions of people that there was something wrong with this law. That is patently absurd.
    What reporter? why the 'bubble headed bleach blonde' whom went in search of a small town business with any glimmer of faith inside that she could blindside with such a stupid question, as to whether or not this po dunk town in where ever Indiana would have a gay couple asking the local pizza joint to cater their wedding...It was always a set up, and typical of snarky, small, petty liberals that want to make a name for themselves.

    So, now you'll attack me, instead of just ceasing with the tripe I can read on any liberal rag out there...And written better I might add.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Actually if his business was selling portraits of weddings.. there would be an argument that he was involved in discrimination by not providing a public accommodation to same sex marriage and thus acting against a state accommodation law. Now,,, if his business involved all sorts of other paintings? then no. but if his business was that of providing wedding paintings? then yes.
    I suppose it's possible to make any argument, but I think that's a weak one. A state law can only violate a right guaranteed by the First Amendment if the state can show the law is necessary to achieve some compelling government purpose--i.e. that the purpose cannot be achieved in some less burdensome way. It is extremely hard to show that.

    There is no basis in the Supreme Court's decisions on government-compelled speech for what you are asserting. What subjects an artist normally portrays in the paintings he sells is irrelevant to his constitutionally protected freedom to express himself in those paintings. They are symbolic speech, and he has the freedom not to say certain things in them. He could paint and sell nothing but portraits of weddings, and it would not diminish his right to refuse to paint a portrait of a same-sex wedding one iota.

    The strength of the freedom of association depends on whether the association is mainly expressive or mainly commercial, as the Court discussed in Roberts. But I don't know of anything the Court has said in any of its compelled-speech decisions that implies government is any more free to tell people what they must say--or allow others to say--when those people operate businesses that serve the public.


    No offense but the accommodation laws do not have to do with government discrimination . . . Private social clubs may indulge in discrimination because they are not "public" but are inherently exclusionary and are based on the freedom of association.
    If you thought I was suggesting they did, you misunderstood what I wrote. The post I was responding to suggested that private clubs are free to discriminate because they do not serve the public. I pointed out that was not the only reason--that sometimes they have been free to discriminate because they were not closely enough connected to state government for what they did to be considered action by the state. If the Moose Lodge in the case I discussed had been closely enough connected to the state for its discrimination against the black guest to constitute state action, the guest would have had a Fourteenth Amendment equal protection claim. But that amendment does not apply to discrimination by private persons, whether they serve the public or not.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I missed thew link. Could you repost it?
    Christian Wedding Customs and Traditions

    Cutting and Feeding of the Cake
    The cutting of the cake is another picture of the cutting of the covenant. When the bride and groom take pieces of the cake and feed it to each other, once again, they are showing how they have given their all to one another, and will care for the other as one flesh. At a Christian wedding, the cutting and feeding of the cake can be done joyfully, but should also be done lovingly and reverently, in a way that honors the covenant relationship.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's the lie alright...Congratulations, you have, as usual the narrative to the letter....And it's only been repeated by every liberal hack with a keyboard, or a mic for the past week and a half....Bravo.



    What reporter? why the 'bubble headed bleach blonde' whom went in search of a small town business with any glimmer of faith inside that she could blindside with such a stupid question, as to whether or not this po dunk town in where ever Indiana would have a gay couple asking the local pizza joint to cater their wedding...It was always a set up, and typical of snarky, small, petty liberals that want to make a name for themselves.

    So, now you'll attack me, instead of just ceasing with the tripe I can read on any liberal rag out there...And written better I might add.
    Good grief, continuing this lie doesn't change the truth j-mac. The law itself was flawed and the fact that it was changed to ensure no discrimination of gays was allowed reflects that. Continuing this narrative that it was the fault of a reporter is absurd. Did you think the law allowed no discrimination before it entered public discussion? Wait, what exact difference does it make if the law entered discussion because of a reporter? Does that make the law less flawed? Sour grapes all around.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    I find it interesting that religious persecution has reached political favor.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It would be dishonest to claim any clear line could be drawn between the two. That is exactly what the Court discussed in Roberts v. Jaycees, particularly in Justice O'Connors' concurring opinion. It would also be dishonest to claim that the freedom of association is the only First Amendment freedom these public accommodations cases may involve.
    And it would be dishonest to claim that anyone made such claims.

    But I don't expect honesty in your posts.

    I haven't seen the claims the Hitching Post made against the Coeur d'Alene ordinance in federal court that caused the town to back down so quickly and ignominiously. But knowing what the Court has said about compelled speech in Barnette, Wooley, Hurley, and Prune Yard Shopping Center, I have a hunch that had something to do with it.
    Couer d'Alene didn't back down. The Hitching Post backed down by re-organizing as a religious organization and changed its' policy so it no longer performs non-christian marriages, which made it exempt from the anti-discrimination regulation
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Name for me how many metro bus lines operating routes in our cities today are private...
    NYC has several privately run bus companies. Most cities and counties have them. I know for certain that there are privately owned bus companies in the area I now live in.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've already provided a link showing how the cutting of a wedding cake is a religious symbolic gesture in this very thread. You stating the opposite does nothing to disprove that link.
    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I missed thew link. Could you repost it?

    The baker doesn't cut the cake. The newlyweds do
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The baker doesn't cut the cake. The newlyweds do
    Irrelevant.
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