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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Did I say it was? With the exception of the fact that nothing happened, you'd have a point. Nothing happened.
    And yet, a law was corrected, and it was made clear that it could not be use to discriminate against gays. Continuing to claim that nothing happened just makes you look like sour grapes at this point. Sort of like the people who claim nothing was accomplished by changing the law.

    The demonstrations suggested something else. The entire presumption of the demonstrations was that because a reporter decided that perhaps there might be people who might exploit this law because of their religious beliefs would compel them to do so was outrageous. That was the cause of the demonstrations. There was no act other than speech that caused it. And speech, as I am forced to reiterate in this instance, is protected. As I said before, this is all hysterical hyperbole, and rather than offerring substance, you continue the hyperbole.
    Continuing to infer that this was based on a reporter and a religious belief makes you it look like that's what the calls for repeal were about. They weren't.

    You're assuming I care one way or the other. I don't.
    25 posts in this thread alone. Something tells me you do care.

    BS. The entire exercise, from the moment that reported decided this was a good thing to do until it's completion, was precisely about condemning someone for spoken thought. You can condemn if you like, but that person still retains the right to say it, whether you like it or not.
    Still under the belief that this was all started because of a reporter? Hmm. It really wasn't.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And yet, a law was corrected, and it was made clear that it could not be use to discriminate against gays. Continuing to claim that nothing happened just makes you look like sour grapes at this point. Sort of like the people who claim nothing was accomplished by changing the law.
    There was no crime. Therefore, there was nothing worth talking about.



    Continuing to infer that this was based on a reporter and a religious belief makes you it look like that's what the calls for repeal were about. They weren't.
    And you're claiming that absent national attention, something would've happened. That's funny.



    25 posts in this thread alone. Something tells me you do care.
    About the perception and the attempted twisting of it - not the event itself.



    Still under the belief that this was all started because of a reporter? Hmm. It really wasn't.
    Sure it was. If not for the reporter, nothing would've happened. Tell me, exactly what gay 'would be' couple was soliciting that restaurant for catering services?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    But you did not have a point. You aired a desire for penis cake.
    I asked a hypothetical with an expectation that no one would be able to come up with a reasoned argument to rebut it. I wasn't disappointed. You get one final shot, then you go on my ignore list.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Many bus services are private businesses. the buses that MLKJr started a boycott over were privately owned
    Name for me how many metro bus lines operating routes in our cities today are private...
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    I asked a hypothetical
    Yes, a really stupid one and irrelevant to boot.

    with an expectation that no one would be able to come up with a reasoned argument to rebut it.
    Such stupid questions are best left unreasoned.

    I wasn't disappointed.
    Well at least you have that.

    You get one final shot
    At what making a penis cake for you? I am no baker.

    then you go on my ignore list.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There was no crime. Therefore, there was nothing worth talking about.
    The bill was literally made into law 2 weeks ago. It received criticism from the minute it was passed because it allowed people to discriminate based on another person's sexual orientation. Continuing to claim that some imaginary crime needed to happen for it to be discussed is absurd.

    And you're claiming that absent national attention, something would've happened. That's funny.
    Laws don't get changed unless people pay attention to them. What I have argued (though not explicitly) is that people would have noticed in the same way they notice discrimination that goes on in countries they don't live in. They research and then discuss topics. Believing the attention paid was the product of a reporter and not the law itself is absurd. Welcome to Politics 101.

    About the perception and the attempted twisting of it - not the event itself.
    And yet, it wasn't the "perception and attempted twisting of it" that got it changed. You can't twist a law that wouldn't have allowed for discrimination in the first place.

    Sure it was. If not for the reporter, nothing would've happened. Tell me, exactly what gay 'would be' couple was soliciting that restaurant for catering services?
    What reporter? Continuing to assert that nothing would have happened is saying that there was nothing wrong with the law and one person convinced mega-corporations, multinationals, and millions of people that there was something wrong with this law. That is patently absurd.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You're correct. Gay militants sought to penalize her for saying it in order to precipitate government action, which was their desire from the start - it was blatantly supported by a willing media absolutely precipitated by the law's passage. It's true that the girl could be sued for even speaking, if one was frivolous enough to do it. Seems it's more practical to do it through the media and willing political accomplices. All of this presumes that some action was taken. Nothing other than speech was offered. That's protected, too.

    Correct again, but I certainly hope that no civil action is contemplated by the business owners. I doubt they would consider it, although I'm relatively certain some attorneys have mentioned it to them.
    Although they could have been theoretically sued by anyone, it would not be likely that such a case would go anywhere and would be pretty much dropped immediately since just saying they wouldn't provide pizza for a same sex marriage really doesn't mean that they would have actually done it. There generally has to be an actual person who is turned away, not just the "threat" of doing so.

    But what she said is not protected from boycotts or even people talking about it, her, her business, or how they feel that she is wrong. There is also a fine line between illegal threats or slander and making fun of them or calling them names, even if I don't really agree with doing any of those things. People have a right to speak "bad" about others without punishment from the government as well, at least to a point (and in this case, it would be quite difficult to determine if anything that was said about them or even their place of business caused any actual damage to it other than possibly the "threats"). You can't use the government to punish someone for saying things like "their pizza sucks", even lying about the pizza (whether obvious or not that the comments were meant to be satirical for the most part). Lying is not against the law (except for in very specific incidents), particularly not if it cannot be shown that the individual lie actually caused in itself some financial damage.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If a gay atheist has a problem with catering a religious ceremony (providing the same service he provides to anyone else) then he can cater to the event or he can risk a lawsuit by turning it down on the basis of the customer's religion. His choice.

    Anyway, you've made your feelings clear and there's really nothing left for you to add, I suspect. You believe that discrimination is acceptable if it's supported by religious belief, but realistically speaking that's not the direction the country is heading in. Sooner than not, sexual orientation is going to be a protected class on the Federal level. At that point, Christians are going to have to make a choice: risk the government's wrath and discriminate, suck it up and stay in business, or close up shop altogether. Whichever they choose, honestly I couldn't care less. It's their problem, not mine.
    Thanks for a good discussion. I think it's clear that my position respects liberty and allows each individual to pursue happiness. While your position respects equality, however it compels behavior and denies pursuit of happiness to some.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Wedding cake is not a Christian anything. When is the last time you heard a priest say, before we can pronounce the husband and wife married, they must cut and consume a piece of the cake?

    Since when is it part of Christianity? What place does it have in the wedding ceremony?

    Stop selling us nonsense. The wedding cake is a celebratory cake at the wedding reception, it has no religious meaning from a bible point of view.

    In the past they used to break bread over a bride's head (in Roman times), in the past it was a bride's pie eaten before the wedding even took place.

    For centuries people did not have wedding cakes and their marriages were as Christian as is possible. In fact you do not need a wedding cake at all for a wedding, it is just part of the celebration.

    Refusing to bake a cake does not stop a wedding, it has not influence on the ceremony, it is all done to punish gays for having a wedding IMHO. Those bakers who refuse are sore losers and bad Christians IMHO. Christianity does not deny people baked goods, the name sake of their religion even said it, judge not or you will be judged and if they ever go to heaven I hope there is someone who asks them "Really? You denied them a cake? Really? In my name? Really? Ever heard of the sin of Pride?".

    A cake as said has no religious function whatsoever, denying them a wedding cake is just misplaced pride and judgemental arrogance towards a fellow man and just wrong however you look at it (from a human standpoint, legal standpoint and even a religious standpoint)
    I've already provided a link showing how the cutting of a wedding cake is a religious symbolic gesture in this very thread. You stating the opposite does nothing to disprove that link.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've already provided a link showing how the cutting of a wedding cake is a religious symbolic gesture in this very thread. You stating the opposite does nothing to disprove that link.
    I missed thew link. Could you repost it?

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