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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Opps.

    There are more than one group of people who have served notice they will not do business with gays and lesbians for religious reasons, Islam where they behead homosexuals comes to mind, Sikhs, Hindus and B'Hai.....
    Your lack reading comprehension is getting really annoying. What is the one group of people who use their religion to discriminate if not the religious? Do you even know what this law was about? Can you cite it?

    The government has singled out one of the groups which has led to this angry mob response and death threats
    Absolute nonsense. A restaurant denying service because of its religion wouldn't be immune regardless of its religion.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Most, if not all metropolitan bus services are government services...Private businesses are not.
    Many bus services are private businesses. the buses that MLKJr started a boycott over were privately owned
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your lack reading comprehension is getting really annoying. What is the one group of people who use their religion to discriminate if not the religious? Do you even know what this law was about? Can you cite it?



    Absolute nonsense. A restaurant denying service because of its religion wouldn't be immune regardless of its religion.


    and your insults when called on errors continue to amuse.

    We hit another nerve.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    and your insults when called on errors continue to amuse.
    Instead of complaining about supposed insults, why don't you try reporting my posts?

    I love hitting a never.
    A what?

    Never, no matter what happens, EVER admit a mistake, it would ruin your image
    I've called you out on this, I've asked you to point out which part of my posts are mistaken, and you can't seem to do it. Is there a reason behind that?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Nothing. For someone who wants one, it's still there, just like the penis stromboli at Tony Baloney's (Not Workplace Safe) in Hoboken. So far, I see a few trollish comments but no serious responses that argue why refusing to bake a specific type of cake is discriminatory. I guess the Gay Army would rather just cry in their stromboli about how they're being discriminated against and picked on by bigoted Christians even while they can't articulate a serious argument refuting my point.
    But you did not have a point. You aired a desire for penis cake.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    He knows that but he has consistently (and dishonestly) tried to conflate expressive organizations with purely commercial ones.
    It would be dishonest to claim any clear line could be drawn between the two. That is exactly what the Court discussed in Roberts v. Jaycees, particularly in Justice O'Connors' concurring opinion. It would also be dishonest to claim that the freedom of association is the only First Amendment freedom these public accommodations cases may involve. There is also a line of cases involving government-compelled speech that may form a strong basis for challenges by some businesses to public accommodations laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

    I haven't seen the claims the Hitching Post made against the Coeur d'Alene ordinance in federal court that caused the town to back down so quickly and ignominiously. But knowing what the Court has said about compelled speech in Barnette, Wooley, Hurley, and Prune Yard Shopping Center, I have a hunch that had something to do with it. To require the owners of a for-profit wedding chapel to let it be used to celebrate same-sex marriages would compel them to let their property be used to propound a point of view they disagree with. The fact the Hitching Post is a commercial business and a public accommodation did not make the city ordinance any less an unconstitutional infringement of the Knapps' freedom of speech.

    The Court in Barnette, which upheld the right of students who were Jehovah's Witnesses not to salute the flag against their beliefs, saw the inconsistency in saying the same First Amendment "which guards the individual's right to speak his own mind, left it open to public authorities to compel him to utter what is not in his mind."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The same protected status afforded to choices like what religion you'll be a member of and traits you can't do anything about like race. That's not too much to ask.
    Did I say it was? With the exception of the fact that nothing happened, you'd have a point. Nothing happened.



    Lol, we talking about the pizza thing? Saying the law was changed because of that is absolutely ridiculous. This law was going to be changed whether a pizza parlor spoke on it or not. Or did the mass demonstrations suggest something else?
    The demonstrations suggested something else. The entire presumption of the demonstrations was that because a reporter decided that perhaps there might be people who might exploit this law because of their religious beliefs would compel them to do so was outrageous. That was the cause of the demonstrations. There was no act other than speech that caused it. And speech, as I am forced to reiterate in this instance, is protected. As I said before, this is all hysterical hyperbole, and rather than offerring substance, you continue the hyperbole.



    That's great, don't get in a homosexual union then.
    You're assuming I care one way or the other. I don't.



    Nobody is giving anybody the title of thought police. What is being established is that a business doesn't get the benefits afforded to it through federal laws, and taxes and then discriminate against the populace that makes that possible.
    BS. The entire exercise, from the moment that reported decided this was a good thing to do until it's completion, was precisely about condemning someone for spoken thought. You can condemn if you like, but that person still retains the right to say it, whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We do that almost every day in our lives.
    Just so we are clear, such as?

    If we cannot exercise our personal discretion then we lose a basic freedom.
    Of course we can, when not in violation of an obligation we freely take on, such as opening a business to the public as opposed to select clientele.

    I'm in the tourism industry and have refused service perhaps five times over 25 years to people because of their attitudes.
    Good for you. I am sure you did it for the safety or well being of your clients and or staff or property. Say, much like not giving any more drinks to a drunk.

    They could have sued me and may have succeeded, but I felt they were being rude either to me or staff and told them they were not welcome. I used my discretion and each time I was correct and was more than willing to face the financial loss.
    But not because you disliked a particular group or type of people.

    It is a small town where there are few gays getting married or asking Memories pizza to cater. It was a hypothetical question.
    Through hypotheticals are principles tested.

    I would pleased to cater a Gay wedding were I in the business but may have refused some other type of function where I felt me or my employees felt uncomfortable. It's discretion.
    No it is not longer discretion.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Instead of complaining about supposed insults, why don't you try reporting my posts?



    A what?



    I've called you out on this, I've asked you to point out which part of my posts are mistaken, and you can't seem to do it. Is there a reason behind that?


    I just did.

    So I will keep this to really short words.


    You said "the one group..."

    I pointed out that here were more than one group that have served notice they will NOT do business with GBLT

    You were wrong. There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension.

    So now we have two posts in a row where your wrongness has been exposed.

    Do not admit it.

    have a good day. I am done here.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I just did.

    So I will keep this to really short words.
    Lol, good. Then quit your complaining. You have reading comprehension issues and it's obvious to anybody who notices just how badly you miss your mark when addressing 90% of my posts. The best part is that you actually think I said something about a specific group of religious people.

    You said "the one group..."
    Yes, that would be the religious.
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