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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And how long does the pizzeria with rotten pizza stay in business?
    Not long, depending on how much coertion is exerted, I imagine. Relative quality in a product is usually something given - not forced.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

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    suppose we just outlaw you

    yeah kind of personal ain't it
    What about my post was personal to you?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    You really don't read well at all, do you?

    You really make it your business to assume whatever makes you feel better, don't you?



    The government has no place in any marriage, no matter the type.

    It is none of my business what anyone else is doing, even if I don't agree.

    I don't judge at all, period.

    Not my place.

    You really need to try and keep words in perspective and work on separating your emotions from comprehension.
    Really? Not your place to judge and you don't judge at all? Then what the hell is the following.....

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    It was a pathetic attempt by moronic pizza shop owners to pander to Christians to increase their business, which blew up in their face.

    I'll bet that they even set up their own GoFundMe page, or had a friend do it.

    Lying, hypocritical morons.
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    Typical slanted legend-in-your-own-mind viewpoint of life for you, isn't it?
    You've done nothing BUT judge this entire thread.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Maybe those calling for tolerance should be more tolerant themselves of others' viewpoints
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    We're all listening to your viewpoint right now. what more do you want?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Let me clarify: Id show up to the wedding but not for the reception. Having pizza for a wedding reception sounds really cheap and tacky.
    Not everyone can afford 20+ thousand dollar weddings. :/
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That's a good point. There's discrimination in every facet of our day to day lives. Why do Gays think they are immune?
    Obviously your opinion is that being gay IS NOT an immutable characteristic. Being a skinhead, neo-nazi is assuredly not an immutable characteristic. They like to wear their blatant bigotry on their skin - and usually in a place to be seen in plain sight.

    Now if a person was born with a swastika birth mark...that would be an immutable characteristic. While it's still a symbol people might find offensive, the birth mark wasn't by choice.

    So in my opinion, your objections to gays is like telling blacks that they can't go the grocery store until they take off their dark skin.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Not long, depending on how much coertion is exerted, I imagine. Relative quality in a product is usually something given - not forced.
    Coertion(sic)?? Listen, if you make **** pizza I'm not going to eat at your pizzeria. And I'm going to tell my friends your pizza is ****. They and I will eat elsewhere. That's not coercion. That's called capitalism.

    Similarly, if your pizzeria hates the gays, I wont eat there. I'll tell my friends too, and they wont eat there. The market speaks: discrimination against homosexuals is not a good business decision.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You really don't think a gay kid in that town fears for his life every day? Some twitter threat from over 100 miles away scared these discriminators ****less. Once again, i have no sympathy for bigots
    You're assuming that the kid would have a reason to be scared. Can you provide proof that even these people in the Pizzaria would harm or threaten that gay kid in that town?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you wouldn't say the same exact things if that pizzeria were in say....New York?
    Come now, we both know darn well that you would be saying the same thing. Whether or not this pizzeria actually does do weddings or not, or what size the town is doesn't matter in the slightest to you. So you can stop trying to make this about this one single company in order to backtrack.


    New York City has lots of pizzerias, I've never heard of any of them refusing to cater gay weddings. Does that surprise anyone?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Zoning laws are exactly about preventing harm. Harm to property prices, harm to environment which in turn harms people if not taking care of.
    1) You are talking about harm to commerce - the same type of harm that discrimination causes.

    And zoning laws are not about protecting the environment



    Only where it concerns harmful effects. Tell me...what's your stance on marijuana again? Something along the lines of "no harm no foul"?
    Wrong. Govts have the soveriegn power to promote commerce and have *always* had that power (at least in the history of civilization). They have also had the power to prohibit behavior which inhibits commerce, which is why we have had public accommodations laws since the first days of the US, why they fed govt has the power to regulate interstate commerce, and why states have the power to regulate intrastate commerce.

    And I don't want to derail this into a discussion about MJ but allowing the sale of it does not inhibit commerce. It has the opposite effect.

    If this is true then discriminating against businesses for not providing a service can also cause harm because it would run that business out of running or even preventing it from running at all. Which means less jobs and less commerce. Sorry but you can't have it both ways. But again, the federal government has no power to regulate a private intrastate business.
    Regulating consumers in such a way has never been considered a legitimate exercise of govt power in this country (nor in many others) which is why the constitution does not give the govt such a power. It is a power that the people would not support, but if you want to make that case to the nation, be my guest.

    What is ironic here is that you actually do have the legal right to not provide service to a business that discriminates. Or do you think that what Connecticut is doing or wanting to do illegal? IE: its called boycotting. Which is legal.
    I'm not sure that is true. CT has not said it would not provide a service to Indiana. They said they will not pay for non-essential travel to that state. "Traveling to Indiana" is not a service.

    Also there is a huge difference between an intrastate business such as yours and this mom and pop pizzeria. You can be regulated due to the federal governments power to regulate interstate commerce. They do not have the power to regulate intrastate commerce...which is the kind of business this mom and pop pizzeria conducts.
    My business is interstate, not intrastate, but my point is that even businesses that operate at a specific location can affect interstate commerce, thereby giving the feds the power to regulate it in the areas where it does affect interstate commerce. As my example shows, discrimination by businesses that only operate within a state (such as auto mechanics, hotels, restaurants, etc) can have an inhibiting effect on interstate commerce.


    Alright then...in that case how about you provide your services to the KKK? And this Pizzaria. Of course anyone that is against what this Pizzaria is doing would also have to provide their own services to them also.
    I personally believe that every business that is open to the public should be required to serve the entire public. The only exceptions should be for reasons with a clear and legitimate purpose of promoting commerce. For example, disruptive behavior is a legitimate reason for refusing service because the disruptive behavior can drive business away.

    At present however, the law does allow one to discriminate for some reasons but I think a business open to the public should be required to provide their normal products and services to all (with noted exceptions) including the KKK, Nazis, etc.
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