Thread: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

I wasn't trying to equate gay with anything abhorrent, in fact I left out, "what about a gay bakery having to make a "god hates fags" cake for some westboro types?


That's about as relevant as one could get. My bad for committing the one that is most relevant.



And leave lord satan out of this. Hail satan.

LOL

Originally Posted by Grant

You're now the spokesman for the loony liberals? This may be one of their better decisions.

Yes, I am the sole representative for all liberals everywhere. Anything you need to know you can feel free to pass by me first.

Originally Posted by Mithros

No. Where you choose to drink doesn't matter.

You're a segregationist if you support the dominican bars ability to refuse service to non-dominicans.

Look, I know this is a libertarian thing.. where one concentrates on the "principle" of a law and ignore its effects. But there are parts of this country that are VERY racist. And if businesses in these places were allowed to choose to serve whites only, then virtually all of the businesses would serve whites only. So if you support the right of businesses to serve whites only, then you must accept that this would be the result in places. There would be portions of the country denied to blacks. Now that might be an acceptable tradeoff for you, but you can't ignore it.

Are you claiming blacks are not capable of opening bars that cater to blacks? They have been doing just that for a very long time now. Here in L.A., the district along Central Avenue was full of black bars well before and after WWII.

Originally Posted by Mithros

I covered that exact example earlier. If the baker doesn't want to make penis cakes, then the baker doesn't have to make them for anyone. Period.

But if the baker makes penis cakes for bachelorette parties, then the baker has to make penis cakes for anyone. This isn't an unreasonable standard, this isn't asking a business to be superhuman. But the business has to be agnostic as to their customers.

Here.. maybe this is easier. Instead of all of these hypothetical situations involving gays, imagine that they involved fat or ugly people. Could a baker refuse to make a wedding cake because the bride was too fat or ugly?

So if he later changes his mind about making penis cakes it really doesn't matter. He'll be stuck to making them forever. Does it matter about the color or size of these penis cakes? What about other body parts? Comply there as well?

This definitely calls for another level of bureaucracy.

Originally Posted by matchlight

Are you claiming blacks are not capable of opening bars that cater to blacks? They have been doing just that for a very long time now. Here in L.A., the district along Central Avenue was full of black bars well before and after WWII.

And if you went in they'd serve you a drink.

Originally Posted by j-mac

Why would a gay couple want someone opposed to their lifestyle to participate in their day anyway?

I wouldn't trust what they put on those pizzas.

Originally Posted by Mithros

Yes. Refusing to allow a white person to join a black frat is segregation.

Of course it is. The relevant question is whether any law could require black frat members to include whites without violating the black members' First Amendment freedom of association. Considering what the Supreme Court said in Roberts v. Jaycees, especially, I strongly doubt it could.

Originally Posted by Mithros

And if you went in they'd serve you a drink.

How do you know? Ever try it?

Originally Posted by Henrin

Yes, there is no harm caused by those actions. If someone comes to you hungry and you do nothing to relieve them of that condition you did nothing but not assist them in their problem. The same thing is true for someone that comes to you needing shelter, healthcare or whatever else you can imagine.

Imagine you were driving across the country. You look and see that your fuel light is on. You know that you have roughly 40 miles left in the tank before you get worried. There's an exit with fuel ahead, and a sign that says next gas 30 miles. But you're feeling good, and making good time. So you decide to press on.

Thirty minutes later you take the exit into a small town. You pull up to the pump, put in your credit card... and wait.. .. Nothing. After a few tries you get frustrated. This is clearly the only gas station in town, and you don't have enough fuel to make it anywhere else. So you walk in to see the attendant, asking why the pump doesn’t' work.. "Oh, we don't serve your kind around here". What do you do? Can you honestly say that you haven't been harmed.

Originally Posted by matchlight

How do you know? Ever try it?

Those exact bars no. Others yes. Why don't you walk in and buy a drink. If they don't serve you then you can file a lawsuit against them. They are legally required to serve you unless you're causing a disturbance or a visibly intoxicated person.