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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.

    The easiest way to think about this is to replace gay with old, fat, or ugly. Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"? Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"? Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
    Your post doesnt even have logical deduction to it?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No to the last one, because you can't refuse to serve someone based on age.
    I agree.. but if a shop owner wants to "ruin themselves" we should allow them to destroy themselves....

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't want to server klansmen, child molestation supporters, and holocost deniers, how is that wrong?
    On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Yes, they should have to cater a wedding for people who belong to the KKK. However, they do not have to cater a wedding full of racist propaganda.
    As opposed to a Christian Caterer having to cater a wedding full of LGBT propaganda....Right?

    Could a bakery refuse to make a cake for someone because they were "too fat"?
    Yes they could...Unless you think "too fat" is a protected class.

    Could a photographer refuse to photograph a wedding because the bride was "too ugly"?
    Sure, just say he was booked.

    Could a hip coffee shop refuse to serve coffee to someone because they were "too old"?
    Happens all the time...Ever been to a club with a doorman that picks who can go in?

    Fact is that we discriminate all the time, in all walks of life...The good news is that creates more businesses to cater to those that are discriminated against...Now, do I think that all discrimination is good, or fair? No, of course not, and I think it rather stupid that anyone in business would turn down business. I mean after all the money is green. However, with that said we live in a free society, and I'd like to stay that way.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This kind of question is a luxury the majority is allowed to indulge itself in.
    It's a question everyone should ask...Would you want any service provider that wasn't into doing the best they could for you to be involved in something like your wedding day?

    It really is a dumb thing to contemplate, because obviously the answer is no.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's a question everyone should ask...Would you want any service provider that wasn't into doing the best they could for you to be involved in something like your wedding day?

    It really is a dumb thing to contemplate, because obviously the answer is no.
    A member of a minority, especially one that the majority expressed an active interest in discriminating against, would have a different perspective. You would do well to consider why they might believe differently than you.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    As long as you're fine with segregation, that's at least a fully coherent intellectually honest position. I may not agree with that kind of libertarianism, but I can at least respect the idealism.


    I don't support segregation. I am not sure how you got that from my posts. /facepalm
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.


    Pedophilia is not illegal, acting on it is.

    You can now drop that to any other "thought crime" which is what we must be cautious of.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    On the child molestation supporter angle, I wonder if you could make a case that the NAMBLA member constitutes a threat to yourself/home/family/etc. Genuinely curious.
    My Dad used to have a sign in his pharmacy that read...

    "We retain the right to refuse service to Anyone, for Anything, at Anytime."

    I think that says it all.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No to the last one, because you can't refuse to serve someone based on age.
    Why not?

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