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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I can't believe you didn't think this far ahead. It proves that your principles about personal or religious beliefs just smokescreens for your bigotry. Not that the rest of us ever doubted that for an instant.
    I never cease to be bemused by those who presume to tell others what their beliefs are. What incredible mind-reading powers you must have.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I never cease to be amused by those who presume to tell others what their beliefs are. What incredible mind-reading powers you must have.
    You apparently have forgotten the premise of these threads. I will permit you to go to the beginning and read through them again.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You apparently have forgotten the premise of these threads. I will permit you to go to the beginning and read through them again.
    and?
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well I should think suspension would be the least of what she would face. I learned in a law class that there is a small number of crimes you are legally permitted to kill someone for if you catch him in the act of committing them, and arson is one of them.
    Seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Seriously?
    Just passing on what the law professor said. Some of the others are kidnapping, murder and rape, as I recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Just telling you what the law professor said. Some of the others are kidnapping, murder and rape, as I recall.
    Damn interesting. I didn't know that.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Damn interesting. I didn't know that.
    Yeah, so when I read about the coach who threatened to burn down the pizzeria, my first thought was "Oooh, I'm really glad I'm not her right now."

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Sorry, but no it isn't.

    Refusing to serve 2 gay people who came in to the restaurant, sat down and ordered a pizza, is discriminating against gay people. Refusing to cater a gay wedding is refusing to take part in a ceremony that violates the religious tenets of most Christians, Muslims and Jews. It is the event that they refuse to take part in, not the serving of gay people.

    Of course you know this, just like everyone knows this, whether they admit it or not.

    The reality is, this is an assault against people of faith by the anti-religious bigots on the political left. They want to force them to either renounce their faith, violate their faith, or be financially destroyed if they refuse to comply. They are demonstrating exactly what hate, bigotry and intolerance looks like.
    Speak for yourself regarding Christians. There are a whole lot of Christians who have no problem with gay marriage or homosexuality in general. It's just the Evangelical Christians who have decided they have a personal connection with God, and that God doesn't like gay people. Arrogant, I know, but it's how they roll.

    It's one of the beliefs they share with Muslim extremists. Birds of a feather, so to speak.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    They CHOSE to go into business. No one is forcing them to open the business. But opening a business does not entitle anyone to write their own rules.


    So, does a black baker have to make a klan cake?

    Does a northern Irish protestant have to make a pizza for a irish unification event?

    Does a jewish baker have to bake a cake for a holocost denier?


    I've been asking questions like this for days, but none of you seem to want to answer.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    When I paint someone's portrait I don't think that I'm condoning, approving of or taking part in their life. To me that constitutes the highest order of arrogance
    What you think about that is not relevant to whether a law that required a painter to portray a homosexual couple at their wedding would unconstitutionally compel speech. What the Supreme Court has said in a number of cases involving the First Amendment freedoms of speech and association--especially Roberts, Hurley, Dale, Barnette, Wooley, and Justice Powell's concurring opinion in Prune Yard Shopping Center--make it pretty clear that laws which require private persons to endorse, propound, or celebrate views they do not agree with are unconstitutional.

    Artistic expression is speech for constitutional purposes. There could not be a clearer celebration of same-sex marriage than a same-sex wedding. Compelling a third party to make an artistic portrayal of that wedding, even though he did not want the job and strongly opposed same-sex marriage for religious or other reasons, would be compelling him to endorse it against his will. I don't think it's even a close call, in the case of an artist. It would violate the freedom of speech just as surely as laws violated it by forcing Jehovah's Witnesses to salute the flag, as in Barnette, or to display "Live Free or Die" on their license plates, as in Wooley.

    Here is an amicus brief in the Elane Photography case that goes into this issue in detail. I think the authors have it exactly right.


    http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-con...AmicusCato.pdf
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