Thread: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed[W:1581]

Originally Posted by Henrin

Should you be legally compelled to fill out tax forms? No.

So if I don't file my 1099's or follow epa codes I shouldn't be penalized? Is that what you're saying?

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Originally Posted by Grant

They can't understand that compelling people to work in areas in which they feel uncomfortable will mean less personal discretion

Why would anyone who has any particular conviction, be that faith, political, moral etc. would want to expose themselves to situations where their conviction can be challenged? It does not take an inordinate level of intellect to extrapolate that by working in retail, for example, one will need to serve a great variety or people. Of course, the higher the level of skill and knowledge required the easier that conclusion should be reached. Is it not only rational for someone who uncontrollably fears HIV to not become and EMT? Why is it that some expect the environment around them to accommodate them, instead of themselves either accommodating to the environment they choose or avoid it all together?

I happen to have a Gay son and, though it doesn't matter in this case, am in favor of Gay marriage. But if there was a wedding and someone felt uncomfortable doing the catering I would find another caterer.

Yes, that would seem reasonable, at least on the surface and I quite sure that in a large metropolitan area probably that is what would happen, especially if the caterer managed to convey their objection in a civil and respectful way. But unfortunately it is not always that simple or easy. There are small towns where there is not abundance of caterers from which one can select. Then of course there is an underlying principle. Today the caterer, tomorrow the pharmacist, then the ambulance arriving to the scene of an accident, then the doctor. Can you see where this could end?

The Leftists seem to believe that this is a victory for a freer and more open society

Actually all reasonable and rational people feel that way. Your need to label those who do not share your position only demonstrates that you are not one of those and still do not see the bigger issue due to your personal convictions.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

So if I don't file my 1099's or follow epa codes I shouldn't be penalized? Is that what you're saying?

Do whatever you want.

Originally Posted by Grant

You're quite the rebel.

I appreciate Henrin taking over for you because you feel stumped, but this was really meant for you.

If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?

Originally Posted by Ahlevah

Nothing. For someone who wants one, it's still there, just like the penis stromboli at Tony Baloney's (Not Workplace Safe) in Hoboken. So far, I see a few trollish comments but no serious responses that argue why refusing to bake a specific type of cake is discriminatory. I guess the Gay Army would rather just cry in their stromboli about how they're being discriminated against and picked on by bigoted Christians even while they can't articulate a serious argument refuting my point.

Remind me again what was your point? Wanting a penis cake and eat it? I do not believe that anyone is objecting.

Originally Posted by prometeus

Why would anyone who has any particular conviction, be that faith, political, moral etc. would want to expose themselves to situations where their conviction can be challenged?

We do that almost every day in our lives. If we cannot exercise our personal discretion then we lose a basic freedom.

It does not take an inordinate level of intellect to extrapolate that by working in retail, for example, one will need to serve a great variety or people. Of course, the higher the level of skill and knowledge required the easier that conclusion should be reached. Is it not only rational for someone who uncontrollably fears HIV to not become and EMT? Why is it that some expect the environment around them to accommodate them, instead of themselves either accommodating to the environment they choose or avoid it all together?

I'm in the tourism industry and have refused service perhaps five times over 25 years to people because of their attitudes. They could have sued me and may have succeeded, but I felt they were being rude either to me or staff and told them they were not welcome. I used my discretion and each time I was correct and was more than willing to face the financial loss.

Yes, that would seem reasonable, at least on the surface and I quite sure that in a large metropolitan area probably that is what would happen, especially if the caterer managed to convey their objection in a civil and respectful way. But unfortunately it is not always that simple or easy. There are small towns where there is not abundance of caterers from which one can select. Then of course there is an underlying principle. Today the caterer, tomorrow the pharmacist, then the ambulance arriving to the scene of an accident, then the doctor. Can you see where this could end?

It is a small town where there are few gays getting married or asking Memories pizza to cater. It was a hypothetical question.

I would pleased to cater a Gay wedding were I in the business but may have refused some other type of function where I felt me or my employees felt uncomfortable. It's discretion.

Actually all reasonable and rational people feel that way. Your need to label those who do not share your position only demonstrates that you are not one of those and still do not see the bigger issue due to your personal convictions.

Yes, we all have our convictions, though some are proving flexible and temporary, and others can ignore them if not respect them.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I appreciate Henrin taking over for you because you feel stumped, but this was really meant for you.

If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?

Are you being discriminated against?

Originally Posted by Grant

Are you being discriminated against?

Not the issue. Certain Christians want to discriminate against gays for "personal beliefs." If I don't file my 1099's or follow EPA codes should I be penalized even though they go against my personal beliefs?

Originally Posted by Fearandloathing

How odd in itself that a so-called 'heartless' right winger would be asking where is the compassion in the "compassionate left".

We are seeing the blind rabid hate fest for what it is. Differ with us and you will suffer. It has a tactic since the "Reds" took over Moscow and renamed a square, continued on with a silly Austrian painter and some bullies in brown shirts and lives on in Pyong Yang through three generations of idols. America's idol has never given so much as quarter to his "enemies", his compassion is for terrorists who need jobs, and 'we will bury' our opponents...no matter who suffers or who gets destroyed; doctrine is everything and everything must give way to doctrine.

Step out of line even in an entrapment and you will receive death threats, and teachers will encourage pupils to commit arson in the name of doctrine.

That's "liberal Amerika " where forcing people to pay a tax on health care is really, really cool and the greatest thing America has ever done.....

There are few things that bring clarity to beliefs better than the actions they provoke. With that in mind, the agenda is quite clear.