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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post

    Really? When did this happen? All I have heard of was a Christian baker not wanting to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage ceremony, because same-sex marriage violates the tenets of their religion.



    You'd have to ask them, although how they may feel about it would be totally irrelevant. The question is, are they discriminating against gay people or not.
    Well, until I know how they're dealing with it, I'm going to have to lump it in with how everyone else deals with irritating business regulations: they don't like it, but they just do it anyway because running your own business is ultimately pretty cool.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    We are trying to establish what participation is, as it is the participation that is being objected to.
    No, you are trying to decide what participation means for other folks when you know they have already defined it as participation for themselves.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would be happy to have my painting hang in the Gay Marriage History Museum. I wouldn't be so happy to have my portrait hanging in the Ku Klux Klan hall of fame, but such is the way of things.
    I'll assume that the veiled "you're a racist" insult indicates you don't have a reasonable reply to my post.

    In that case, have a nice day.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, you are trying to decide what participation means for other folks when you know they have already defined it as participation for themselves.
    So there should not be a common understanding of what is participation?
    My views are my views, then there is the Christian view:
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, until I know how they're dealing with it, I'm going to have to lump it in with how everyone else deals with irritating business regulations: they don't like it, but they just do it anyway because running your own business is ultimately pretty cool.
    You still haven't pointed out the incident of discrimination you referred to before?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ha ha, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's one's been tried already. "We offer the same service we offer to everyone else: serving white customers." You think you're the first genius to think of that "loophole?"
    Except it's NOT a loophole here just as it wasn't when used against blacks. When used against blacks it was illegal, or became so. In this instance, there is no sexual orientation clause in Indiana's PA law. Nor in the US Constitution. Nor is it a federally protected class.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I'll assume that the veiled "you're a racist" insult indicates you don't have a reasonable reply to my post.

    In that case, have a nice day.
    Nope, not at all. That's a reference to previous research I've done on my own. I was curious if I could get away with discriminating against a KKK member by not painting their portrait, based solely on their distasteful beliefs. The answer is: I couldn't. Someone has already been sued for discriminating against a klan member, so odds are looking pretty good that if commissioned to paint a klan member's portrait (in the style I normally do), then I would just have to suck it up and do it.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    So there should not be a common understanding of what is participation?
    Nope, it's subjective to belief. The whole point of religious objection.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would be happy to have my painting hang in the Gay Marriage History Museum. I wouldn't be so happy to have my portrait hanging in the Ku Klux Klan hall of fame, but such is the way of things.
    For what it is worth I hope you and your partner can marry in your state and that you are blissfully happy.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Nope, not at all. That's a reference to previous research I've done on my own. I was curious if I could get away with discriminating against a KKK member by not painting their portrait, based solely on their distasteful beliefs. The answer is: I couldn't. Someone has already been sued for discriminating against a klan member, so odds are looking pretty good that if commissioned to paint a klan member's portrait (in the style I normally do), then I would just have to suck it up and do it.
    Well, two comments. One, you might indeed object if they insisted on wearing their nazi uniform with a button of a lynching on the lapel. Two, unfortunately they're probably covered by the state's PA law, unlike sexual orientation.

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