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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Sorry, but it isn't.
    If you're refusing to cater to two homosexual individuals who are getting married, that's discrimination. Jesus.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    You only "agree" because you are forced to agree. We've seen that in countries like, oh say, North Korea
    So the US is now North Korea? That's hilarious!
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. Invisible View Post
    so the us is now north korea? That's hilarious!
    Obama is a socialist muslim who wants to turn america into north korea, come on now.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Obama is a socialist muslim who wants to turn america into north korea, come on now.
    That's not true! He's allied with the Lizard people and the new black panther party against white people! #RaceWar2015
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    If you're refusing to cater to two homosexual individuals who are getting married, that's discrimination. Jesus.
    You are again wrong.. It's not refusing to cater to two homosexual individuals,.. It's refusing to take part in their marriage ceremony, which violates the tenets of their religion.

    Only in the bass-akwards world of a the American leftist, does the right to the wedding caterer of your choice (a right that doesn't even exist) supercede the constitutional right to freedom of religion.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You are again wrong.. It's not refusing to cater to two homosexual individuals,.. It's refusing to take part in their marriage ceremony, which violates the tenets of their religion.

    Only in the bass-akwards world of a the American leftist, does the right to the wedding caterer of your choice (a right that doesn't even exist) supercede the constitutional right to freedom of religion.
    Keep talking about freedom of religion, I don't think you know what it means.
    It is discrimination, you're refusing catering to two homosexual individuals getting married, using religion as an excuse is ridiculous.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You just don't seem to get it. In all 3 of those example, those businesses are still participating in a gay wedding. It's as though you think that business owners who object to gay marriage on religious ground, just need plausible deniability, and then participating is fine and dandy. Beliefs are about consciousness, not appearances... So they either participate, or they don't... There is no in between.
    Oh, I get it alright. There are some folks out there within the business community who believe they have every right not to sell a product or service to someone who aren't of the same religious faith or whose conduct and/or behavior goes contrary to said beliefs. And as such, they believe it is their "religious right" not to participate in such business activity/transactions. Furthermore, such business owners firmly believe that by making such a sale, they are contribution to such inappropriate social or moral behavior.

    I get it just fine.

    All I'm saying is there are alternatives to this issue: 1) make a distinction in your business marketing, written (posted) policies or signage that you are a faith-based business, or 2) form your business as a for-profit religious entity following the same guidelines as subparagraph 1 above. In this way, patrons know exactly the type of business activity you conduct AND who your target market would possibly exclude.

    Frankly, I think using "religious liberty (freedom)" as an excuse not to provide a service or sell a product merely masks bigotry because no one is forcing the business owner to exercise his religious beliefs (i.e., pray or perform religious rituals) in any way that goes contrary to their religious convictions. This pizza parlor certainly wasn't forced to do it. The owner merely made the statement that he wouldn't cater a gay wedding and look at all the publicity he/she has received. This without ever catering to a gay wedding for as long as the business existed.

    I'm simply of the opinion that unless you make it clear that your business markets to a limited clientele your doors are open to everyone.

    Let's face it... The only ones who are being forced to sacrifice, are the people who object to gay marriage on religious grounds. Religious freedom is a right afforded Americans in the constitution, while neither having food, a photographer and a cake at your wedding, nor demanding who provides those things, is not.
    But that religious right was meant to extend only to one's person religious freedom, not from a business perspective. In other words, what faith you decided to practice, what God you decided to worship and how you choose to worship. That's what the Constitution enshrines, not how your religious beliefs constrain you from making a profit.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Keep talking about freedom of religion, I don't think you know what it means.
    It is discrimination, you're refusing catering to two homosexual individuals getting married, using religion as an excuse is ridiculous.
    They are not refusing to cater to an individual, but to a particular ceremony that violates their religious beliefs.

    If they refuse to cater a birthday party for someone who is gay, then they are discriminating against the individual, since to my knowledge birthday parties do not violate the religious tenets of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

    Stop making bogus claims just to prop up your support for discriminating against people of faith.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    They are not refusing to cater to an individual, but to a particular ceremony that violates their religious beliefs.

    If they refuse to cater a birthday party for someone who is gay, then they are discriminating against the individual, since to my knowledge birthday parties do not violate the religious tenets of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

    Stop making bogus claims just to prop up your support for discriminating against people of faith.
    A ceremony based around two individuals.
    Keep calling it discrimination against the religious, I don't think you know what it actually is.

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