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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That's still tyranny
    That's not tyranny. That's leaving open the possibility of gaining a larger market share by leaving your doors open to everyone who wants your product or service. Now, if you wish to target your company to a select clientele, you should target your marketing campaign accordingly and not stand behind "government force" as an excuse that your customer base has dwindled due to your own prejudice, bigotry or bias.

    You can be selective about who your customers are without being a jerk about it (i.e., that sign in the window that reads, "No Blacks or Gays Allowed" tends to fend off more potential customers than "No Shoes, No Shirts, No Service").
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    As of this afternoon, the owners of the anti-gay pizza place had received more than $800,000 from online donors - yeah, the gullible are definitely out there.
    That is a huge assumption.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But...you know...back during the Crusades, CHRISTIANS murdered lots of people and stuff!!!
    So you are saying payback is a female dog?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The cake baker, for example, could still bake the cake but refuse to place a "groom-and-groom" cake topper on it. Provide the name and number of a vendor who will sell the topper to the gay couple and they can order it themselves.

    The photographer could take pictures of a gay wedding, just leave them out of his professional portfolio.

    The caterer could still prepare the food and even deliver same, but just not serve it.
    You just don't seem to get it. In all 3 of those example, those businesses are still participating in a gay wedding. It's as though you think that business owners who object to gay marriage on religious ground, just need plausible deniability, and then participating is fine and dandy. Beliefs are about consciousness, not appearances... So they either participate, or they don't... There is no in between.


    There are compromises all over the place if people look hard enough. Problem here is people don't want to look. They're too stuck on "being forced" to do something they don't want to do, being fearful of possibly being sued or the possible fallout from doing business with gays and lesbians. Well, the only way anyone really knows is if you make a big deal out of it. Don't make a big deal of it. Just find other alternatives to meet the demand or politely refuse but recommend another establishment that may meet their needs. To me, that's just good business practice.
    Let's face it... The only ones who are being forced to sacrifice, are the people who object to gay marriage on religious grounds. Religious freedom is a right afforded Americans in the constitution, while neither having food, a photographer and a cake at your wedding, nor demanding who provides those things, is not.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You just don't seem to get it. In all 3 of those example, those businesses are still participating in a gay wedding. It's as though you think that business owners who object to gay marriage on religious ground, just need plausible deniability, and then participating is fine and dandy. Beliefs are about consciousness, not appearances... So they either participate, or they don't... There is no in between.




    Let's face it... The only ones who are being forced to sacrifice, are the people who object to gay marriage on religious grounds. Religious freedom is a right afforded Americans in the constitution, while neither having food, a photographer and a cake at your wedding, nor demanding who provides those things, is not.
    "Religious freedom" doesn't include the ability to discriminate. How far will we go with the idea of religious freedom?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    "Religious freedom" doesn't include the ability to discriminate. How far will we go with the idea of religious freedom?
    Human rights are in fact about exclusion.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Human rights are in fact about exclusion.
    Really? Care to elaborate?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    "Religious freedom" doesn't include the ability to discriminate. How far will we go with the idea of religious freedom?
    Again, no matter how many times you say it, refusing to cater a gay wedding because it is against your religious beliefs, is not discriminating against gay people.

    Religious person refusing to serve a homosexual = Gay Discrimination
    Religious person refusing to service a gay wedding = Refusing to participate in a sacrilegious event.

    1 is people, 1 is an event.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Again, no matter how many times you say it, refusing to cater a gay wedding because it is against your religious beliefs, is not discriminating against gay people.

    Refusing to serve a homosexual = Gay Discrimination
    Refusing to service a gay wedding = Refusing to participate in an event.
    It is discrimination, no matter how many times you say it isn't.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It is discrimination, no matter how many times you say it isn't.
    Sorry, but it isn't.

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