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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have posed this question to Paulean moralists....

    Which is worse in the eyes of God, a man and a woman living together as man and wife and not married, adultery, or gay a gay marriage, where two people have made a spiritual commitment to God?

    Most smart theologians will say both are equally ugly under God.

    So, then my question is "what happens then to all those priests in the middle ages who had "housekeepers" and fathered bastard children? Surnames like "Church", "Priest", "Priestly" are said to originate from that practice which went on from the fall of Rome to the enlightenment.
    That's a very good question. You could add to that list those Catholic Priests who practiced (or thought they could get away with) sodomy. What happens to them when they meet St. Peter and he reads from the Book of Life? Some people believe that unless you completely repent from your sins, you're not worthy to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Others believe that as long as you live a righteous life and repent of that one sin that keeps you from having a personal relationship with God, that's good enough since man is born into sin and continues to be a sinner despite our best efforts throughout our lives.

    I really don't have the answer to this one - no one among the living does. So, I'll save that for each man, woman and child to figure out after his body is placed into the Earth and his spirit goes afar. To the essence of your question, however, sin itself and how man measures one against the other, I believe you are correct. That to God, sin is sin no matter which one man commits. But I think he's be very disappointed to learn that those who live together as man and woman and not man and wife weren't taking that next step to commitment in the eye's of God alone because I think he's still see that as fornication or adultery despite how "happy" the couple professes to be. I think he'd still see gays as gays no matter what. That said, as mortal man I don't consider it my job to judge. Just as I'll have to answer for my sins when I'm before St. Peter at the Pearly Gates as he reads from the Book of Life determine if I'm worthy of passage into God's Kingdom, so will everyone else including those who live the LGBT lifestyle.

    We're all pretty much happy (more or less) doing whatever it is we're doing down on God's green Earth, but at some point at some point judgement will come. I can only hope that when the time comes I've lived a good enough life in God's eyes to be worthy.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    As of this afternoon, the owners of the anti-gay pizza place had received more than $800,000 from online donors - yeah, the gullible are definitely out there.
    Oh...I dont think they were all that gullible. I just think they were very invested in giving a nice healthy "**** you" to all the bull**** spewed regularly from the bitter angry hate filled Gaystapo.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Both of your sentences are wrong.
    You said people can choose as they like and I agreed. Now you're saying they can't? Man, authoritarians, huh? lol
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    An Indiana pizzeria remained closed on Wednesday, embroiled in a national debate after its owners said that they would not cater gay marriages due to their religious beliefs.

    Read the article here: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    I don't claim to be an expert on this, but how many gay weddings are followed up by pizza parties?

    My guess is that these people are declining to serve people who would never be their customers.



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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    It isn't... I had said that "I wouldn't serve them", speaking of NAMBLA, and he falsely attributed my words to gay couples.
    there should be a private room for you guys to rant about nambla

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Here's the thing, you can be as prejudiced as you want in your personal life. That's just freedom of association, however, if you are going to set up shop (literally in this sense) in a town, a public area, then you have to be open to everyone, not just the people who you want.
    That's why I eluded to how people who hold such religious views and want to start a business should do so as a 501(c)(3) for-profit business and make it well known that their business is a faith-based business, i.e., Hobby Lobby, Chik-fil-la, Lifeway Bookstores, a church, etc. Then you don't have these problems of patrons making unreasonable demands for a product or service you can't deliver due to your religious convictions or the government compelling you to do something that goes against your religious interests.

    (Note: I originally posted "non-profit" and eluded to churches only, but I meant to include "for-profits" with religious business interests.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's why I eluded to how people who hold such religious views and want to start a business should do so as a 501(c)(3) for-profit business and make it well known that their business is a faith-based business, i.e., Hobby Lobby, Chik-fil-la, Lifeway Bookstores, a church, etc. Then you don't have these problems of patrons making unreasonable demands for a product or service you can't deliver due to your religious convictions or the government compelling you to do something that goes against your religious interests.
    Indeed, let's marginalize Christians despite their First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Now a baker who refused to make an anti gay cake is getting death threats. Who wants to donate to them for practicing their freedom of conscience?



    Cut the Cake Getting Threats over Refusal to Make Anti-Gay Cake | Mediaite
    She said she was getting nasty calls about her bakery, not death threats... But I fully expect the left to turn it into "An army of right-wing militia with white hoods on surrounded the bakery with AK-47's..." by the time this makes the rounds.

    As for donations, I expect some liberal front group might pony up some cash and make it look like people want to donate to the bakery, but let's face it, nobody has much sympathy for someone who supposively is taking a stand against discrimination, and then discriminates herself.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    there should be a private room for you guys to rant about nambla
    I'm not the one who says business owners have to sacrifice their religious beliefs and moral ethics...

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Indeed, let's marginalize Christians despite their First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion
    Oh, you're free to exercise your religious faith all you want, but if you're going to be in business you need to know that not every customer who walks through your doors will be a Christian or a Muslim or a Catholic or a Buddhist, and as such, you should be prepared to address such customers should it NOT be well known and established that your business does not cater to the needs of those whose religious views do not mirror your own.

    By establishing your business as a for-profit religious entity and marketing such as a religious entity, you head off most problems that could arise due to confusion as to who you are and what products or services your establishment provides.

    In short, if I were a Muslim and I entered your Christian book store I'd know that all I'd ever find in your store were Christian books. Therefore, it would be foolish of me to think I could raise a fuss that you don't stock Muslim literature in your establishment because that's just not what you do.

    Of course, you're free not to go that route of establishing your faith-based business as a for-profit company, but you should know that in not doing so you leave yourself open to the possibility of someday dealing with a customer who may create problems for you on religious grounds. Are you ready for that?

    The cake baker, for example, could still bake the cake but refuse to place a "groom-and-groom" cake topper on it. Provide the name and number of a vendor who will sell the topper to the gay couple and they can order it themselves.

    The photographer could take pictures of a gay wedding, just leave them out of his professional portfolio.

    The caterer could still prepare the food and even deliver same, but just not serve it.

    There are compromises all over the place if people look hard enough. Problem here is people don't want to look. They're too stuck on "being forced" to do something they don't want to do, being fearful of possibly being sued or the possible fallout from doing business with gays and lesbians. Well, the only way anyone really knows is if you make a big deal out of it. Don't make a big deal of it. Just find other alternatives to meet the demand or politely refuse but recommend another establishment that may meet their needs. To me, that's just good business practice.
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