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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't know where you got that idea but many people have had to go to court to protect their right to free speech, for example, or right to protest, or right of assembly. Religion mattered in the cases you cited but rights have always involved more than just Christians.

    Your focus on Christians rather misses the point.
    Your inability to comprehend what you're reading never ceases to amaze me. Yes Grant, people go to court to ensure that their rights aren't being violated. Lutherf believes someone who discriminates against a Christian would get off scott free. We know that the only way that happens is if a person decided to ignore the incident and "move on".
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    In your mind that is the important thing, perhaps, but it isn't relevant to the meaning of discrimination.
    In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

    She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

    Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I appreciate the irony of it all. Christianity is all about martyrdom, but the extremists always complain about being made martyrs themselves through their own doing.
    And it is an extremist indeed that adheres to the demands of her conscience and won't participate in a pagan rite.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

    She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

    Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.
    Does a catering service need to believe in gay marriage in order to provide catering at a gay wedding?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In my mnd?? It was clearly expressed b the young woman who made the statement.

    She said she would happily serve gays but not serve as a gay marriage ceremony because she doesn't believe in Gay marriage. She may feel the same about Muslims or Mormons having multiple wives and refuse a decorated pizza for them. That does not mean she hates Mormons or Muslims, only that she disapproves of the marriage aspect.

    Really this shouldn't have to explained so frequently.
    Yes, in your mind. If you're a caterer you're not being asked to "take part in," "approve of" or "condone" a gay marriage. You're being asked to cater food which, if it is a service you offer to other customers, then you should be able to offer them.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh ffs does it really tax your imagination to think that you and I could both agree on a type of person being objectively terrible?
    Yes, it does, I believe the pizza shop owner was doing the right thing whereas you don't

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Yes, it does, I believe the pizza shop owner was doing the right thing whereas you don't
    So if I said "A Nazi is a bad person," you'd be forced to disagree? Before you immediately smash the "reply" button, think on why I asked that. It will require you go back a couple posts.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Again, a civilized society does not force people to act against their consciences. And yes, people are forced to engage in commerce to which they object or be forced out of the marketplace. Frankly, that's bigotry sanctioned by the government, no different than the Jim Crow Laws
    You are confused on purposely obtuse or perhaps simply lack the capacity to grasp this issue.
    People are not forced to engage in commerce. Those who do through an establishment open to the public are expected to live up to the obligation of serving the public. That is what they take on they they open a business to the public. If they want to remain ignorant bigots they can do that too by opening their business only to certain clientele. Behavior in civilized society includes living up to obligations one takes on. Why is this so very difficult for yo and many others here to grasp?
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I find your tactic of acting deliberately obtuse boring. Go troll someone else if that's how you want to play it.
    And you deliberately don't want to see what is on the video.

    No surprise though.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Sorry, but that comment doesn't seem to apply. Discrimination is part of freedom. Forcing someone to engage in an activity that violates their conscience is tyranny
    No, you want to engage in business and interact with the public, therefore you have to be open to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So forcing someone to provide someone else their labor is not tyranny?
    Forcing someone to give up their property in trade to another person is not tyranny?
    Forcing someone to provide service to someone else is not tyranny?

    Well, we have a very different view on tyranny, mister anarchist.
    Like I said, you don't know what tyranny is. If you want to have an exclusive club, go do it on private property.
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