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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sometimes, a person's conscience is no better than dog****, as in the case of people who so terribly want to discriminate against the demographic of their ire.
    Despite the error in that sentiment, freedom allows people have consciences that might be offensive to others

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If the customer said "I'd like to order 50 pizzas for my gay wedding?"
    The lady said in store orders they will fulfill, but they will not cater a gay wedding. That means go there with the food.

    She was very specific about all in store orders being fulfilled.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Despite the error in that sentiment, freedom allows people have consciences that might be offensive to others
    Although you and I come from across a wide aisle in our politics, even you and I can agree that there are people who's consciences are better left unfollowed.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Really. So in your mind, you can go to a Muslim deli and demand a ham sandwich even though he doesn't carry ham. Is that right?
    So you are saying that you can't order a cake from those bakeries? The bakers sure seemed ready to take his cake order until he explained what he wanted on it.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So you are saying that you can't contract a cake from those bakeries?
    So based on your question, you would say that the Muslim deli should make you a ham sandwich because their product is "sandwiches," correct?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Really. So in your mind, you can go to a Muslim deli and demand a ham sandwich even though he doesn't carry ham. Is that right?
    If you wanted the Muslims deli to send messages with his product with which he doesn't agree he would have every right to say no, and would gain wide public support. If you insisted a Muslim bakery decorate a cake with Gay men holding hands and explained it was for their marriage celebration, they would likely say no as well.

    Would you accept their decision and find another bakery or would you want them shut down and hounded out of business, as happened to the Christian family?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So based on your question, you would say that the Muslim deli should make you a ham sandwich because their product is "sandwiches," correct?
    So you are saying that that Muslim bakery doesn't make cakes?
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I watched the video and no one was denied business for being a homosexual.
    OK for this time, and this time only, I will do your work for you.

    At 2:13, 2:21, 2:36, 2:50, and 3:19

    All refused him a cake and sent him somewhere else.

    That last guy wouldn't even write anything on top of a cake, he just didn't want to.

    Did you really not see any of that?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Although you're absolutely right, if every other thread on this topic anything is go by, he's probably citing a case that isn't actually discrimination.
    I hope it's not this one:

    Fmr. FedEx Worker Wins Faith Discrimination Case - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

    A federal judge has ruled in favor of a former FedEx employee in a religious discrimination lawsuit.

    Eric Weathers sued the shipping company after they banned him from discussing his faith and Bible-based degree at work.
    Or this one:

    Christian student wins appeal in discrimination case against university | Deseret News

    A university that expelled a Christian graduate student from its counseling program because she refused to affirm homosexual relationships may have violated her Constitutional rights, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today.
    Or this one:

    Christian Prof. Wins Lawsuit Against NC University Over Free Speech Rights

    A North Carolina jury has decided in favor of a conservative professor of criminology who claimed that his academic institution denied him a promotion for ideological reasons.

    The jury ruled Thursday in favor of Mike Adams, who back in 2006 was denied a promotion to a full professorship by the University of North Carolina Wilmington.
    Saying that anybody who discriminates against Christians would get off scott free is absolutely absurd.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you wanted the Muslims deli to send messages with his product with which he doesn't agree he would have every right to say no, and would gain wide public support. If you insisted a Muslim bakery decorate a cake with Gay men holding hands and explained it was for their marriage celebration, they would likely say no as well.

    Would you accept their decision and find another bakery or would you want them shut down and hounded out of business, as happened to the Christian family?
    Let me answer that by touching on my own career. If you want a portrait done in a certain style, you shop around by going to different websites and seeing what genres and styles you can expect if you commission a particular artist. Now, I can always ask him to go outside his comfort zone for me, but I have to expect and be okay with the possibilities that he will not choose to do so (I've turned down a client for this reason myself). But it isn't me he's turning down, but the product I asked him to make. That's what you and everybody else here holding your position have such a terribly difficult time understanding: Discrimination doesn't refer to the product/service being requested, but the identity of the customer doing the requesting.
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