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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yet enough of so called Christians have managed to get lawmakers to pass laws that would allow them, the so called Christians, to deny service to gays. Tough love eh?

    Has anyone asked you to?

    Have you been asked to officiate a gay wedding, be the best man, or hold a candle at the nuptials? So what is it exactly that you do not want to do?

    And here you are doing the very thing you accuse gays of doing. Hypocrisy at its finest.


    Ask....

    They literally **** themselves that we dont.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Actually they do not and you should know better. Even by your own admission, "Where the public accommodation is mainly commercial, a duty to serve is most likely to exist" and last I looked a pizza shop does fit that description.
    Neither Hurley or Roberts were about commercial enterprises open to public.
    matchlight has repatedly tried to confuse the issue by citing irrelevant cases involving entities that are expressive, and not purely commercial

    He also misportrayed the facts concerning the chapel. The town never pursued any action against them because the chapel reorganized and stop offering secular marriages.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Actually they do not and you should know better. Even by your own admission, "Where the public accommodation is mainly commercial, a duty to serve is most likely to exist" and last I looked a pizza shop does fit that description.
    Neither Hurley or Roberts were about commercial enterprises open to public.
    Your assertion that no law forces businesses to serve anyone is nonsense. That is exactly what public accommodations laws do. The Hitching Post in Coeur d'Alene is an example of a commercial business a public accommodations law threatened to require its owners to open to same-sex weddings. That is the very thing you are claiming these laws do not do. Where a law like that compels a person to express or propound a view he disagrees with, it is likely to be unconstitutional as government-compelled speech. And the fact the business is primarily commercial will not make much difference, especially if the symbolic speech is expressive or artistic. A painter almost certainly could not be forced to paint a picture of a homosexual couple at their wedding, even though he makes his living by selling his paintings in a shop.

    Justice Powell had this to say in his concurring opinion in Prune Yard Shopping Center:

    "In my view, state action that transforms privately owned property into a forum for the expression of the public's views could raise serious First Amendment questions.

    The State may not compel a person to affirm a belief he does not hold . . . A system which secures the right to proselytize religious, political, and ideological causes must also guarantee the concomitant right to decline to foster such concepts. This principle on its face protects a person who refuses to allow use of his property as a marketplace for the ideas of others. And I can find no reason to exclude the owner whose property is not limited to [his] personal use. A person who has merely invited the public onto his property for commercial purposes cannot fairly be said to have relinquished his right to decline to be an instrument for fostering public adherence to an ideological point of view he finds unacceptable." (my italics)

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I thought her answer to the hypothetical (which has already happened in practice all over) question was that she wouldn't serve gay people, no?
    No. She said she was happy to serve Gay people but would nt serve at a Gay wedding ceremony. And that was only a hypothetical.

    It seems leftists don't need facts or understanding to involve themselves in a baying mob, seeking out anyone who doesn't subscribe to their recently gained opinions

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Without a doubt, the bigoted Christians have much more in common with the Taliban Muslims.
    Wow!! It seems you know nothing of either camp!!

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Your assertion that no law forces businesses to serve anyone is nonsense.
    You are being dishonest.

    prometeus never made such an assertion. What he said was
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    BS. No law has ever forced anyone to serve anyone else. People take it on themselves to serve others when they open a business that is open to the public. It they want to exercise bigotry they are free to do so and there are ways to do it, just not in a business open to the public.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I am curious. Say if you worked for company ABC Inc. as on of their executives and all of a sudden ABC Inc. declared support for gay marriage and gave large donations to make it legal everywhere. Would you quit your job?
    Why would I do that? I don't have a problem with gay marriage.

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why are you splitting hairs with this. She said she wouldn't bake a pizza for gay people. What's the difference if its in house, or her catering service, hmm?
    The wedding! She feels marriage is between a man and a woman, just as all Presidents have declared.

    This is basic to the whole debate and you still don't get it?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I'm talking about bigoted christians in general. They do have much more in common with the taliban who hatez the gheys.

    As far as the people who protested - that's what the right wingers who hate PA laws *say* should happen, let the free market decide when people discriminate.

    The few idiots who made threats should be dealt with and prosecuted if they broke the law with their tweets.

    There are always a few assholes in every group, by far and wide the people protesting the bigotry and calling for boycotts were lawfully and reasonably doing just what we are told is the rightful reaction to people who discriminate on the basis of race, sex, creed, ethnicity, etc...absent PA laws.

    Embrace the free market, Blemmy. It werks.
    Do you really not know how to spell simple words or are you doing that on purpose for some reason?

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    Re: Indiana's 'No Gay Wedding' Pizzeria Has Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    What if there were a radical religious group that said their beliefs required them to ritually sacrifice christian children on a nightly basis. Would you be so adamant to defend their views and so forth? Where do you draw the line ?
    More hypothetical nonsense. One Gay spokesman compared this young woman to the KKK, despite many others, including American Presidents, believing marriage was between a man and a woman. Now to voice that opinion means public harassment and your livelihood gone.

    This also happened to the CEO of Mozilla in California when his voting history was exposed. This is Gestapo like tactics and it's great to see people responding against this mob mentality.

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