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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Here, instead of being a died in the wool partisan, call out such abuse of the "power of government to persecute" political opponents every time it happens, not just when its a democrat, and perhaps we can get such corruption out of the government, but at this rate, as the left covers for its criminals, and the right covers for theirs, I suppose we can be sure of the status quo.

    10 Examples of Bush and the Republicans Using Government Power to Target Critics*|*Bob Cesca
    So who is this Cesca?
    Bob Cesca (born July 12, 1971) is an American director, producer, writer, actor, blogger and political commentator.[1] He is the Managing Editor of The Daily Banter, a news and opinion site founded by Ben Cohen, where he also writes a daily political column.
    Bob Cesca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Given that background, seems a pretty sure bet that he's a left winger, and I'm supposed to take that as a legitimate source for some sort of, or even close to, authoritative and unbiased source?

    I've got a little bit of trouble with that. But even so, given the assumption that your position has merit, do you have another source to corroborate?

    I'm no partisan hack, and have been known to change my opinion and position given new information. Whatcha' got on this?
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.

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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So who is this Cesca?
    Bob Cesca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Given that background, seems a pretty sure bet that he's a left winger, and I'm supposed to take that as a legitimate source for some sort of, or even close to, authoritative and unbiased source?

    I've got a little bit of trouble with that. But even so, given the assumption that your position has merit, do you have another source to corroborate?

    I'm no partisan hack, and have been known to change my opinion and position given new information. Whatcha' got on this?
    When the IRS targeted liberals
    Under George W. Bush, it went after the NAACP, Greenpeace and even a liberal church

    When the IRS targeted liberals - Salon.com

    https://www.aclu.org/keep-america-sa...uses-power-911


    Democrats Were Targets in Inquiries, Panel Is Told

    By PHILIP SHENON
    Published: October 24, 2007
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 — Richard L. Thornburgh, attorney general in the Reagan and first Bush administrations, charged Tuesday that political reasons motivated the Justice Department to open corruption investigations against Democrats in Mr. Thornburgh’s home state, Pennsylvania.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/24/wa...ute.html?_r=1&
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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Damn those crooked Republi... oh, wait.
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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Damn those crooked Republi... oh, wait.
    Haha, as seen in the op, it's not just republicans that are crooked.
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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When the IRS targeted liberals
    Under George W. Bush, it went after the NAACP, Greenpeace and even a liberal church

    When the IRS targeted liberals - Salon.com
    Reading this article it strikes me that the IRS investigation into these churches appear to be at the instigation of an outside group, rather than driven forward from the government itself. That would be different than the Lerner instigated, IRS driven, scandal which targeted conservative groups in wholesale fashion.

    Much of what is listed on this page came about from the Patriot Act, which was a bi-partisan reaction and response to the 9/11 terrorist attack. Yes, it's still the government pushing it powers to the very limits, and some would say well beyond, the boundaries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Democrats Were Targets in Inquiries, Panel Is Told

    By PHILIP SHENON
    Published: October 24, 2007
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 — Richard L. Thornburgh, attorney general in the Reagan and first Bush administrations, charged Tuesday that political reasons motivated the Justice Department to open corruption investigations against Democrats in Mr. Thornburgh’s home state, Pennsylvania.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/24/wa...ute.html?_r=1&
    Pointing to bad behavior justifying other bad, and possibly worse behavior, isn't really a solid position to stand on.

    If you ask me, none of it is acceptable, I'll grant you that.
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.

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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Reading this article it strikes me that the IRS investigation into these churches appear to be at the instigation of an outside group, rather than driven forward from the government itself. That would be different than the Lerner instigated, IRS driven, scandal which targeted conservative groups in wholesale fashion.



    Much of what is listed on this page came about from the Patriot Act, which was a bi-partisan reaction and response to the 9/11 terrorist attack. Yes, it's still the government pushing it powers to the very limits, and some would say well beyond, the boundaries.



    Pointing to bad behavior justifying other bad, and possibly worse behavior, isn't really a solid position to stand on.

    If you ask me, none of it is acceptable, I'll grant you that.
    Oh no, my pointing out that the Bush administration used its power to persecute political opponents is not offered up as an excuse for Obama to do the same. I want Menendez and any other crooks in the Obama administration prosecuted, convicted and punished. I just would like to have seen the same of the Bush administration. But partisans on both sides protect their own because sadly enough, most Americans put their party above their country. Like you just did, you went straight for defending the Bush administration, deflecting and diminishing his abuses. Just like lefty partisans are doing for the Obama administration.
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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh no, my pointing out that the Bush administration used its power to persecute political opponents is not offered up as an excuse for Obama to do the same. I want Menendez and any other crooks in the Obama administration prosecuted, convicted and punished. I just would like to have seen the same of the Bush administration. But partisans on both sides protect their own because sadly enough, most Americans put their party above their country. Like you just did, you went straight for defending the Bush administration, deflecting and diminishing his abuses. Just like lefty partisans are doing for the Obama administration.
    Hard to disagree with this position, as it's very much my own.

    I expect better from my government and my leaders, I demand better from my government and my leaders. It's just too bad that I'm so often left disappointed, along with so very many others.

    Of course, I expect more and better from my fellow citizens and fellow electorate members, and I'm often disappointed there as well. I guess life is little more than disappointment after disappointment on this front anyway.
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.

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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Hard to disagree with this position, as it's very much my own.

    I expect better from my government and my leaders, I demand better from my government and my leaders. It's just too bad that I'm so often left disappointed, along with so very many others.

    Of course, I expect more and better from my fellow citizens and fellow electorate members, and I'm often disappointed there as well. I guess life is little more than disappointment after disappointment on this front anyway.
    Fair enough. Lets get them all!
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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Charlie is a war veteran, if you didn't know that and you were around him, you'd know within 2 minutes.
    Charlie was a war vet....and your point? He's still a criminal.

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    Re: NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges

    "NJ Sen. Bob Menendez indicted on federal corruption charges"

    That will teach him what happens when a Democrat doesn't toe the white house line.

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