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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Oh, but they obviously do want bigotry and suppression of religious rights to free expression. Thing is, that it is not the conservative right that is now suppressing people anymore. It is now the gay crowd that is acting anti constitutional with the courts supporting them like they did some time ago the conservatives. Quite interesting really, the way things have swung around.
    Sheesh, people used to cite religion as the basis for discrimination against blacks (and before that as Biblical justification for slavery). The courts didn't care why someone (said they) didn't like blacks, but they outlawed most discrimination against them. There is no substantive change here, except the protections that have LONG been extended to race and religion etc. have been extended in some cases to LGBT.

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Nice to see that religious folks don't let money stand in the way of righteousness and their religious principals. Oh wait.
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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I know you didn't. But I can see the point I was making went right over your head.

    These governors are backing down because the Corps. are beating them up over these backwards, stupid laws. Of course all this backlash would have never happened in Indy and Arkansas if they had learned from what happened in Arizona last year. But they didn't learn, their ideology and hatred it got in the way, so now they are paying the price.
    Yeah that's a good point, they're acting like they didn't have the perfect test case before them. They rolled the dice, hoping the bigot voters in their states and in the repub primary would pull them thru, unlike arizona. What blows my mind is when you look at the political capital risk...it just doesn't make sense. These states and their politicians now look like worthless devils to the left and center, and impotent to the right.

    Their "values" are as we speak being hijacked by their greed and political aspirations. That is because they have no values, or beliefs. These rural dwellers always get fooled into voting against their own interests, hoping republicans will save them from the mythical gay agenda, if not abortion and the 'darkies,' but hey guess what, repubs can't even manage that anymore!

    Just makes me wonder what group they'll target next to convince the poor meth addicts in hicksville to vote repub

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

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    Nice to see that religious folks don't let money stand in the way of righteousness and their religious principals. Oh wait.
    I hear the church down the street is selling indulgences half off this week

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sheesh, people used to cite religion as the basis for discrimination against blacks (and before that as Biblical justification for slavery). The courts didn't care why someone (said they) didn't like blacks, but they outlawed most discrimination against them. There is no substantive change here, except the protections that have LONG been extended to race and religion etc. have been extended in some cases to LGBT.
    If we let the theocrats get their way all along, women still wouldn't be able to vote and even mentioning interracial marriage would get 100 lashes.

    You know in some convoluted way i'm glad indiana is doing this. Too many were unaware that for instance there is no employment or housing protection for LGBT. Gay marriage gets all the attention, but it's far from the only issue

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Just makes me wonder what group they'll target next to convince the poor meth addicts in hicksville to vote repub
    They'll come up with another bogeyman to keep the Republican base mad, scared and voting GOP. And yep they'll keep voting against their interest too.
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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    What boggles my mind is that all these religions, Christian, Jew, Muslim whatever need to do is have a coming to Jesus moment. (See what I did there) If they all came together to organize a internet and bulling campaign on their own, these little gaystoppo nimrods wouldn't have a foot to stand on, and the complicit MSM pushing all this along would be frightened little girly girls, just like all these states and corporations threatening boycotts, would run like the wind pushing each other out of the way to get back to the right side of things..

    So comical, watching all this play out right now that a very small minority is causing so much stir. All it would take is someone to lead the religious into the light, and begin fighting back, and all you little giddy progressives would cower. Thing is, the ACLU and the IRS have it so churches and synagogues cannot bring it up in service as to not lose their tax exempt status.. LOL How freaking funny is that? They're not even allowed (Because religion is protected by the first amendment ya know) to talk about it in their own church and fight back...

    Seems like the progressives have it all figured out regarding religion in this country. They've made it so their targets have no speech to fight back with.. What a great country, eh? Well, I should say Christians as their main target because they're easy to pick on, Jews not so much, and Muslims.. Hehehe, well we all know how brave and principled progressive really are when the chips fall..

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    What boggles my mind is that all these religions, Christian, Jew, Muslim whatever need to do is have a coming to Jesus moment. (See what I did there) If they all came together to organize a internet and bulling campaign on their own, these little gaystoppo nimrods wouldn't have a foot to stand on, and the complicit MSM pushing all this along would be frightened little girly girls, just like all these states and corporations threatening boycotts, would run like the wind pushing each other out of the way to get back to the right side of things..

    So comical, watching all this play out right now that a very small minority is causing so much stir. All it would take is someone to lead the religious into the light, and begin fighting back, and all you little giddy progressives would cower. Thing is, the ACLU and the IRS have it so churches and synagogues cannot bring it up in service as to not lose their tax exempt status.. LOL How freaking funny is that? They're not even allowed (Because religion is protected by the first amendment ya know) to talk about it in their own church and fight back...

    Seems like the progressives have it all figured out regarding religion in this country. They've made it so their targets have no speech to fight back with.. What a great country, eh? Well, I should say Christians as their main target because they're easy to pick on, Jews not so much, and Muslims.. Hehehe, well we all know how brave and principled progressive really are when the chips fall..

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    Have you not read any opinion poll in the past, say, five years? The "gaystoppo nimrods" are on the same side as a clear majority of the public. Corporations have been paying attention, which is probably why "even Walmart" came out against the RFRA in Arkansas. That's good for business.

    And you're a little misinformed about what a church can and can't do with regard to lobbying. For example, churches follow the same rules as other tax exempt orgs. Here's a nice primer. Here's one that covers churches.

    Short version is churches and the ACLU can "educate" their flock about the issues but can't say, "Vote for Ted." And if they want to engage in a "Vote for Ted" campaign, they can of course. They just have to use assets other than those of the non-profit, so they can and do form 501(c)(4) orgs and take NON-deductible donations to that organization to fund "Vote for Ted" efforts. It's a common sense way to prevent laundering non-deductible campaign contributions through a 501(c)(3) organization and allowing the donor to then deduct those expenses. No one's voice is silenced. A church or environmental org just can't use funds designated for charity in the political arena.

    But the "woe is me, I'm a victim" stuff is touching.

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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Exactly, that is how this and other laws like this came about. Lawmakers bowing...
    Well, yeah. In particular, they were bowing to public backlash against a Supreme Court case that found that Native Americans didn't have the right to pursue their religious ceremonies that involved peyote. Lawmakers such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Bill Clinton, and the like.
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    Re: Arkansas Governor Asks Lawmakers to Recall Contentious Religious Freedom Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, yeah. In particular, they were bowing to public backlash against a Supreme Court case that found that Native Americans didn't have the right to pursue their religious ceremonies that involved peyote. Lawmakers such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Bill Clinton, and the like.
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