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    Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    March 31, 2015

    The Arkansas Legislature on Tuesday gave final approval to a bill that critics charge could allow discrimination against gays and lesbians in the name of religious beliefs. The passage came hours after Indiana’s governor promised a legislative fix for that state’s version of the bill, which has led to a national uproar and some boycotts.

    Arkansas' Religious Freedom Restoration Act now heads to the desk of Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a moderate Republican, who has said he will sign it into law. Opponents, including retail giant Wal-Mart, called on him to veto the bill. Supporters argue the law protects religious freedom and is not designed to discriminate against any group. But opponents contend the class of laws allow businesses to deny service to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people.

    On Tuesday, Wal-Mart called on the governor to veto the bill. In a statement, Chief Executive Doug McMillon said the legislation "threatens to undermine the spirit of inclusion present throughout the state of Arkansas and does not reflect the values we proudly uphold. For these reasons, we are asking Governor Hutchinson to veto this legislation.” Mark Stodola, the Democratic mayor of Little Rock, the state's biggest city, announced this week he was opposing the law. “Any piece of legislation that is so divisive cannot possibly be good for the state of Arkansas and its people. With these kind of 'wedge issues,' no one is a winner on either side,” Stodola wrote.

    Republicans control both chambers of the state Legislature. Arkansas lawmakers said they weren't seeking to modify their version. “There's not really any place to make any changes now,” Republican Rep. Bob Ballinger of Hindsville told the Associated Press and other reporters. “If there are questions in two years, we can fix it.”
    The Republican majority legislative houses of Arkansas have sent HB1228 (RFRA) to the desk of Republican governor Asa Hutchinson who says he will sign the legislation into law. This legislation is similar to, and even broader than, a similar law recently passed in Indiana. From what I understand, only the Arkansas state legislature can write Arkansas nondiscriminatory law (no cities, towns, etc), and they have refused to include the LGBT community as a protected civil rights class. Whats more, the state legislature will go into recess in a day or two. In Arkansas, the state legislators tackle financial matters in one session, and other matters in the next legislative session. This means that the next legislative session that could address HB1228 won't convene until after the up-next financial session has concluded. Basically, two years from now.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    LOL - “If there are questions in two years, we can fix it.”

    yeah who cares who suffers and gets screwed over in the meantime and how unconstitutional it is right. Why even have a ****ing government? This kind of madness makes me want to have all state governments removed and just have the fed courts take over

    this is the same state with a senator who quipped "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the senate."

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    LOL - “If there are questions in two years, we can fix it.”

    yeah who cares who suffers and gets screwed over in the meantime and how unconstitutional it is right. Why even have a ****ing government? This kind of madness makes me want to have all state governments removed and just have the fed courts take over

    this is the same state with a senator who quipped "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the senate."
    That's interesting, because I feel the same way about Obamacare. The difference is I think the federal government needs to go back to what the foundrs intndd and lt th stats handl most issud.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    LOL - “If there are questions in two years, we can fix it.”

    yeah who cares who suffers and gets screwed over in the meantime and how unconstitutional it is right. Why even have a ****ing government? This kind of madness makes me want to have all state governments removed and just have the fed courts take over

    this is the same state with a senator who quipped "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the senate."
    Since the FEDS have the same law... how can that be an improvement??
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    That's interesting, because I feel the same way about Obamacare. The difference is I think the federal government needs to go back to what the foundrs intndd and lt th stats handl most issud.
    That's interesting, because unlike the Arkansas politicians the Fed CONs have had all the time (and votes) in the world to 'defeat' the ACA. What the Federal Government 'needs to do' is quite subjective because it seems every CON believes their opinion is EXACTLY what the Founders had in mind...

    Oh yes, what a wonderful world it would be if the States had been left to decide what is equal rights and what time frame to implement... afterall no need for speed, it had only been a century since the Civil War before Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat and Sammy Davis could perform in a Casino but not stay there...

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Since the FEDS have the same law... how can that be an improvement??
    The Indiana and Arkansas new laws are far broader the the Federal RFRA law.

    I highly doubt it is an unplanned coincidence that this bill was sent to the governor just a day before the Arkansas legislative session goes into recess.

    They well know that the next legislative session that can reconsider this legislation is two years away.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Looks like plenty of States are determined to make a mess of this issue, Arkansas joins the list.
    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The Indiana and Arkansas new laws are far broader the the Federal RFRA law.

    I highly doubt it is an unplanned coincidence that this bill was sent to the governor just a day before the Arkansas legislative session goes into recess.

    They well know that the next legislative session that can reconsider this legislation is two years away.
    Not really, and in the history of RFRA's, not a single one has been successfully used to defend against discrimination, and if one DID the SCOTUS would shoot it down. So this is all inane tempest in a teapot stupidity.
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not really, and in the history of RFRA's, not a single one has been successfully used to defend against discrimination, and if one DID the SCOTUS would shoot it down. So this is all inane tempest in a teapot stupidity.
    They are different. Read them. Stupidity is Arkansas passing an even broader law as the Indiana legislature scrambles to fix their defective version.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That's interesting, because unlike the Arkansas politicians the Fed CONs have had all the time (and votes) in the world to 'defeat' the ACA. What the Federal Government 'needs to do' is quite subjective because it seems every CON believes their opinion is EXACTLY what the Founders had in mind...

    Oh yes, what a wonderful world it would be if the States had been left to decide what is equal rights and what time frame to implement... afterall no need for speed, it had only been a century since the Civil War before Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat and Sammy Davis could perform in a Casino but not stay there...
    Regardless of what anybody thinks is "fair", our system was set up to give the states any powers that were not enumerated in the Constitution. And keep in mind it was the liberals in the north that wanted slaves counted as property and not as people, and that the Democrat party does a wonderful job of destroying lower income families with welfare dependency to buy their votes. In this issue, RFRA laws are designed to prevent 3% of the population from running over the rights of the rest. Color it any way you want, these laws are designed to protect the majority.

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