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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Regardless of what anybody thinks is "fair", our system was set up to give the states any powers that were not enumerated in the Constitution. And keep in mind it was the liberals in the north that wanted slaves counted as property and not as people, and that the Democrat party does a wonderful job of destroying lower income families with welfare dependency to buy their votes. In this issue, RFRA laws are designed to prevent 3% of the population from running over the rights of the rest. Color it any way you want, these laws are designed to protect the majority.
    Ah the 'unnamed' rights CON... except the Rights that the Feds do jump into, like equal treatment under the law, are very clearly FEDERAL. I admire how some CONs can shrug off 'fair' when it isn't their toad being squashed... you aren't being kept out of a diner, bus or hotel.... so you shrug and say oh well, it is what the Founders wanted... the states ignoring the CONSTITUTION for a century after a brutal Civil War that the South LOST!

    Love the bending of our history... the North PERIOD didn't want slaves, that the SOUTH treated as property, counted to gain the South more reps in Congress... try and get just a tad closer to the truth!

    The majority needs no protection from Gays, the Gays are not demanding kisses from straight folks, just equal access... again try and stand a bit closer to the truth

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    They are different. Read them. Stupidity is Arkansas passing an even broader law as the Indiana legislature scrambles to fix their defective version.
    Selective outrage assigned by the media, tempest in a teapot.
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Selective outrage assigned by the media, tempest in a teapot.
    It's not just the media. There isn't anything in arkansas worth boycotting and the situation for LGBT and all minorities in the deep south has always been hopeless, without federal court intervention

    in other words we were already pissed at arkansas, alabama etc

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Not really, and in the history of RFRA's, not a single one has been successfully used to defend against discrimination, and if one DID the SCOTUS would shoot it down. So this is all inane tempest in a teapot stupidity.
    see: "hobby lobby"

    i get what you mean though, it would have to be a unique case such as trying to force an employer to provide contraception coverage. The outrage at these has to do with the intent to target a specific minority they don't like. Just look at the 3 standing behind the indiana governor at the signing. They were all behind the gay marriage ban there too

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Since the FEDS have the same law... how can that be an improvement??
    The fed "RFRA" was back in the early 90's and was a response to some indian tribe's religion being trampled upon. In other words, it actually was an attempt to protect a religious minority (ie not christianity, which is all the indiana bigots care about). It isn't nearly as broad either.

    I referred to federal courts in any case, not the equally useless federal legislature.

    The recent slew of these by the states is no more than a last pathetic desperate attempt to oppress LGBT. Of course, it will fail just like every other attempt

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    I keep saying it...




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    The sooner some people see and accept that analogy, the sooner they'll understand why they're on the wrong side of the issue.
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    The fed "RFRA" was back in the early 90's and was a response to some indian tribe's religion being trampled upon. In other words, it actually was an attempt to protect a religious minority (ie not christianity, which is all the indiana bigots care about). It isn't nearly as broad either.

    I referred to federal courts in any case, not the equally useless federal legislature.

    The recent slew of these by the states is no more than a last pathetic desperate attempt to oppress LGBT. Of course, it will fail just like every other attempt
    No, it was about barring someone from employment because they were a drug user. Native Americans use Peyote as part of their religion, and you have a religious viewpoint being burdened by anti-drug laws. The Federal law has be leveraged for various reasons that all come down to a religious practice conflicting with a non-religous law. And that's the whole point of each RFRA.

    The Indiana law added the word "significant" to the already established "burden", which actually makes it harder to apply. And they added that the law would apply to civil suits as well.

    With this in mind, its impossible to conclude that the RFRA laws, in any state, can be used for ad-hoc "no gays allowed" applications, because it would NEVER BE ACCEPTED AS AN ACTUAL DEFENSE.

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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    That's interesting, because unlike the Arkansas politicians the Fed CONs have had all the time (and votes) in the world to 'defeat' the ACA. What the Federal Government 'needs to do' is quite subjective because it seems every CON believes their opinion is EXACTLY what the Founders had in mind...

    Oh yes, what a wonderful world it would be if the States had been left to decide what is equal rights and what time frame to implement... afterall no need for speed, it had only been a century since the Civil War before Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat and Sammy Davis could perform in a Casino but not stay there...
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    No, it was about barring someone from employment because they were a drug user. Native Americans use Peyote as part of their religion, and you have a religious viewpoint being burdened by anti-drug laws. The Federal law has be leveraged for various reasons that all come down to a religious practice conflicting with a non-religous law. And that's the whole point of each RFRA.

    The Indiana law added the word "significant" to the already established "burden", which actually makes it harder to apply. And they added that the law would apply to civil suits as well.

    With this in mind, its impossible to conclude that the RFRA laws, in any state, can be used for ad-hoc "no gays allowed" applications, because it would NEVER BE ACCEPTED AS AN ACTUAL DEFENSE.
    BUT that doesn't push forward the anti-Gay meme...don't you know.
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    Re: Arkansas passes its own religious freedom bill despite uproar in Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Since the FEDS have the same law... how can that be an improvement??
    It depends.

    Take the Indiana law for example, it does have some striing difference from the FED's version.

    I actually read Indiana's law (with some difficulty of course due to lack of formal training in law).
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