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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The book had an impact on me as well.

    It is the message. It isn't so much that it happened as it is that we understand how and why it could have happened.
    There were many thousands of young Anne Franks who died at the hands of the Nazis and she gave them a voice.

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I never read her diary but what interests me about the Anne Frank story is that they never found out who betrayed the family to the Nazis- its a mystery that will probably never be solved- like Jack The Ripper.
    As a side note, the Dutch War Commission did a relatively recent archival search and rounds of interviews to look for evidence in the case before the last survivors of the era and perpertrators died. They basically downplayed suspiscions on some of the earlier suspects (but did not absolve them):

    -Woman with family ties to Germany and a son in the German navy who probably knew in general terms that something strange was going on at the warehouse where her husband worked. Had she wanted to betray them, she probably would not have waited two years to do so.

    -Employee at the warehouse known to have stolen merchandise from it, and would have known that a back portion was suddenly sealed off. People who knew him said that while he was a thief and a braggart, he was not the betraying sort. Also, why wait two years?

    They also looked hard at a new suspect: A former business acquiantiance of Anne's Father- a known low life, had been briefly arrested after liberation for suspected collaboration. The guy and a pair of brothers were also suspected of running a protection scheme during the war that was directed at jews. Before the family went into hiding, he had shaken down Otto Frank on one occasion for some spending money. The investigators did determine that rumors that he blackmailed Frank after the war were false, but could they did not clear of him of being the betrayer.

    In the end, the investigators concluded that it could have been anybody. Not only were there the "usual suspects" and the new one, they or another worker might have told a friend about it. In addition, the area was densely populated and long time residents could well have noticed that the "door to window" ratio had a gap, or it could have been somebody passing through who saw somebody at a window.

    The investigators also emphasized that the betrayer need not have been a Nazi or German sympathizer, but could also have been a-political or even a politicaly pro allies but culturally anti semitic individual.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I totally accept the figure of 6 million Jews killed by the nazis in the holocaust, don't lump me in with holocaust deniers.
    Do you believe they were systematically exterminated by gas chamber, firing squad, and hanging? Or do you believe that they died from the unintentional side effects of war; such as, disease and starvation? Do you admit the existence of extermination camps? Or were these Jews in your view arrested and sent to concentration camps because they were partisans?

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Do you believe they were systematically exterminated by gas chamber, firing squad, and hanging? Or do you believe that they died from the unintentional side effects of war; such as, disease and starvation? Do you admit the existence of extermination camps? Or were these Jews in your view arrested and sent to concentration camps because they were partisans?
    Firing squads, gas chambers, hanging, disease, starvation, all the above atrocities were inflicted upon these defenceless people's.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Propaganda is what other people want you to hear, and you are a willing participant. Wonder why we don't hear much about the Russian victims. Did they deserve it because they were Russians? How about the gays? How about the Poles? Even the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is all about Jewish victims and scant on the other demographics. That is propaganda.
    I heard much about the Russian victims, and the Poles and the gays as well. You just seem offended over the Jewish aspect of the Anne Frank story. Why is that?

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    During Soviet times, the Communist regime did not distinguish victims. Everyone was lumped together as victims of Nazi murder and mayhem. Since the dissolution of the USSR, things are beginning to change in this regard and the Soviet archives regarding the Holocaust are now available to all researchers. There is a new (2010) Jewish museum in Moscow (it is huge and very high-tech) that has a large section devoted solely to the Holocaust.

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Propaganda is what other people want you to hear, and you are a willing participant. Wonder why we don't hear much about the Russian victims. Did they deserve it because they were Russians? How about the gays? How about the Poles? Even the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is all about Jewish victims and scant on the other demographics. That is propaganda.
    Ahhh, so its the Jews you have a problem with. Thanks for the clarification.

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