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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Edited?????????!!!!!!!!!! Lol. It's no theory that Levin sued Frank and won. Have you read the court docs, and what Levin sued for. And furthermore, was it Levin's screen play version that sold so many copies that everybody read and was so moved by, or was it the "original"?
    No, I have not read the court documents. I do know that the dispute between the two was apparently financial and personal. Meyer, a zionist, wanted a more jewish spin whereas Frank wanted a more "young girl" spin as his family was assimilated, largely non practicing, and did not hold zionist political views.

    I also know that Germany has proscecuted several people of the years for holocaust denial regarding their specific claims about the Diary. To do so, the proscecutors had to demonstrate two things:
    A. Neither Levin nor Otto Frank wrote the diary (as claimed by some)
    B. The published book version of the diary is not a heavily edited / modified and unrecognizable version of the original (as claimed by others)

    As a result, the original diary was forensically, historically and linguistically examined. The German investigation determined that the published version very largely reflects the original diary and that the diary was written by Anne Frank. The report also acknowledged that there have been instances of notations added in ball point, as well as indications of minor editing or modifications. Otto Frank never claimed that the published version was a verbatim copy.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Here is a short ( one page ) article that lists a few of the workers who may have turned them in.
    And as this paragraph tells , it could have just been a person in the neighborhood who became aware that it looked like people might be living in the " warehouse".



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    Miep Gies :: The betrayal
    Interesting! That sounds very plausible about Sleegers (okay, and shame on me for saying that if it wasn't him). The night watchman would hear more noises given the lack of background noises that the day workers would hear. I remember hearing Tonny Ahlers name on a show I saw on Anne Frank, and I wish I could remember what it was and where I saw it (History Channel most likely). His story, as well as the others mentioned in that link seem less plausible.

    For all anyone knows it was some kid who noticed them peering out of windows when they believed nobody saw them. Anne mentioned that a few times in her diary, even though she and the others knew they shouldn't.

    I suspect we will never know for sure. Maybe that intrigue makes this already interesting story even more interesting.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, I have not read the court documents. I do know that the dispute between the two was apparently financial and personal. Meyer, a zionist, wanted a more jewish spin whereas Frank wanted a more "young girl" spin as his family was assimilated, largely non practicing, and did not hold zionist political views.

    I also know that Germany has proscecuted several people of the years for holocaust denial regarding their specific claims about the Diary. To do so, the proscecutors had to demonstrate two things:
    A. Neither Levin nor Otto Frank wrote the diary (as claimed by some)
    B. The published book version of the diary is not a heavily edited / modified and unrecognizable version of the original (as claimed by others)

    As a result, the original diary was forensically, historically and linguistically examined. The German investigation determined that the published version very largely reflects the original diary and that the diary was written by Anne Frank. The report also acknowledged that there have been instances of notations added in ball point, as well as indications of minor editing or modifications. Otto Frank never claimed that the published version was a verbatim copy.
    That's a very pretty opinion. Denying the authenticity of AF's diary and holocaust denial are NOT synonymous.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a very pretty opinion. Denying the authenticity of AF's diary and holocaust denial are NOT synonymous.
    No, what you have stated is an opinion.

    The fact is that German courts have held that denying the authenticity (either directly, of claiming that the published version does not reflect the original) of the diary constitutes an act of holocaust denial. Of course, this only applies in Germany.

    That aside, you are ignoring the fact that the diary (diaries) as the diary consists of several binders and loose leaf pages, some of which contain Anne Frank's own editing, has been confirmed authentic by both German and Dutch Federal forensics examiners.

    This 700 plus page edition of the diary (s) contains not only all the original material, but also forensics reports from Dutch investigators: Amazon.com: The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition, prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation (9780670820481): Anne Frank, David Barnouw, Gerrold van der Stroom: Books

    Basically, the claims of the diary deniers like, the best propaganda, are based loosely on fact:

    - There are minor notations made in ball point pen in the diary (made by Otto Frank or Levine)
    -There are some variations in the original diaries (Anne Frank's editing, revisions to her own work)
    -Otto Frank did edit some published passages (some sexual / puberty content, embarassing family quarrels, accusations of collaborating neighbors that were not confirmed)
    -Levine did create a copy for a screen play that not only was tailored for a screen play, but emphasized the jewish aspect of the diaries more than the "any young girl" aspect favored by Otto Frank.

    None of these acknowledged things, however, mean the diaries are fake.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a very pretty opinion. Denying the authenticity of AF's diary and holocaust denial are NOT synonymous.
    Why would you, or anyone else, deny the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary? What is you interest here?

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would you, or anyone else, deny the authenticity of Anne Frank's diary? What is you interest here?
    I don't know, ask the guy that made the 14th post.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a very pretty opinion. Denying the authenticity of AF's diary and holocaust denial are NOT synonymous.
    And yet every holocaust denier I have ever seen or read will deny its authenticity and every person I have ever seen that denies its authenticity is a holocaust denier, just a coincidence I suppose just like all those non-holocaust deniers who deny 6 million Jews died, deny that those who did die were systematically exterminated, that Hitler was not responsible for the deaths, etc etc and of course none of them are anti-Semites either.

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    And yet every holocaust denier I have ever seen or read will deny its authenticity and every person I have ever seen that denies its authenticity is a holocaust denier, just a coincidence I suppose just like all those non-holocaust deniers who deny 6 million Jews died, deny that those who did die were systematically exterminated, that Hitler was not responsible for the deaths, etc etc and of course none of them are anti-Semites either.
    I totally accept the figure of 6 million Jews killed by the nazis in the holocaust, don't lump me in with holocaust deniers.
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    Re: Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Anne Frank died earlier than thought, new study says

    I find this interesting as her diary had a huge impact on me when I was a kid.
    The book had an impact on me as well.

    It is the message. It isn't so much that it happened as it is that we understand how and why it could have happened.










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