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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    I disagree completely, the Viagra directly facilitates the behavior for many parties that could not otherwise engage in them.
    Further, if your "religious beliefs" are sincere, no 'sin' should be spared from your tax-funding-association outrage.
    Otherwise, it's situational religious morality, and the sincerity of your beliefs is absolutely in question.
    How about we do this: you pay for your insurance and cover whatever you want and I will do the same. Leave the state and the federal government out of it.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    How about we do this: you pay for your insurance and cover whatever you want and I will do the same. Leave the state and the federal government out of it.
    how would you ever sue your insurance provider if you felt they violated your contract?


    how would you pay for "whatever" you want in your policy if you have a monopoly provider in your state that doesn't offer the coverage you want?

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    neither is abortion, per federal law.

    that said, is murder the only sin?
    Some people don't derive their morality from federal law. Where the two agree, they approve, where depart, they fight. It's also a question of urgency and severity of injury. I suspect that the possibile misuse of viagra, while perhaps wrong in their eyes does not seem as important as the murder of babies and hence does not garner the same level of opposition. So, maybe once the abortion thing is settled, some may work their way down the list of moral quagmires with de facto socialized medicine and get to that issue.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    how would you ever sue your insurance provider if you felt they violated your contract?
    The state would retain the traditional, constitutional role of establishing justice.


    how would you pay for "whatever" you want in your policy if you have a monopoly provider in your state that doesn't offer the coverage you want?
    What you want and what is available is determined by the market and your ability to pay. Just like every other product or service is.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    OK, let's say I agree.

    Taxes pay for Medicare which pays for Viagra; so everyone pays for Viagra; some Viagra is used by non-married couples, or worse, adulterous couples.

    Where is the objection from the same aggrieved parties who want the legislation in the OP?
    I don't think Viagra is covered under Medicare or Part D.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I don't think Viagra is covered under Medicare or Part D.
    you are right that it doesn't cover Viagra, res ipsa.
    I was using the word (loosely, mea culpa) as a catchall for ED treatment; which medicare does indeed cover options for

    This also ignores of course, that it has

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    you are right that it doesn't cover Viagra, res ipsa.
    I was using the word (loosely, mea culpa) as a catchall for ED treatment; which medicare does indeed cover options for
    Well ED treatment is covered by Medicare. Viagra is not. We have two pages talking about something that is not covered. Thought I would point it out.
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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Well ED treatment is covered by Medicare. Viagra is not. We have two pages talking about something that is not covered. Thought I would point it out.
    And I said (MEA CULPA) I was speaking too loosely by using the word like "Kleenex" is used.

    Does the fact Medicare pays for medical treatment that can facilitate non-married sexual activity change after my admission of poor wording?

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The state would retain the traditional, constitutional role of establishing justice.
    not if they aren't involved, as you said you wanted.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    And I said (MEA CULPA) I was speaking too loosely by using the word like "Kleenex" is used.

    Does the fact Medicare pays for medical treatment that can facilitate non-married sexual activity change after my admission of poor wording?
    As usual poor wording can change the frame of an argument. So yes.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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