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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And those who get their insurance through subsidy? (which is the point of Obamacare)
    If a plan pays for abortions then everyone in the plan is paying for abortions and participating. If the State pays people's premium, then every taxpayer is also a perpetrator.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If a plan pays for abortions then everyone in the plan is paying for abortions and participating. If the State pays people's premium, then every taxpayer is also a perpetrator.
    OK, let's say I agree.

    Taxes pay for Medicare which pays for Viagra; so everyone pays for Viagra; some Viagra is used by non-married couples, or worse, adulterous couples.

    Where is the objection from the same aggrieved parties who want the legislation in the OP?

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Perhaps people don't want to pay for abortions? Why is that bad again?
    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    If a plan pays for abortions then everyone in the plan is paying for abortions and participating. If the State pays people's premium, then every taxpayer is also a perpetrator.
    Abortions save the insurance companies money, otherwise they would have to pay for pregnancy. I've never understood the argument that abortion coverage increases the cost of health insurance. This is not an economic issue.
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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    OK, let's say I agree.

    Taxes pay for Medicare which pays for Viagra; so everyone pays for Viagra; some Viagra is used by non-married couples, or worse, adulterous couples.

    Where is the objection from the same aggrieved parties who want the legislation in the OP?
    While it is true that adulterous sexual activity is a severe failing in most traditional ethics, it far from the level of severity of contraception or abortion. But the main difference is that the payer is not paying for the adulterous behavior. On the other hand, if medicare were to pay for prostitutes we would be in business. Or at least closer to your argument.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    Abortions save the insurance companies money, otherwise they would have to pay for pregnancy. I've never understood the argument that abortion coverage increases the cost of health insurance. This is not an economic issue.
    It is not the increase or decrease in costs that is relevant here. It is the forced participation in what is considered by many religious groups to be murder.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    While it is true that adulterous sexual activity is a severe failing in most traditional ethics, it far from the level of severity of contraception or abortion. But the main difference is that the payer is not paying for the adulterous behavior. On the other hand, if medicare were to pay for prostitutes we would be in business. Or at least closer to your argument.
    I disagree completely, the Viagra directly facilitates the behavior for many parties that could not otherwise engage in them.
    Further, if your "religious beliefs" are sincere, no 'sin' should be spared from your tax-funding-association outrage.
    Otherwise, it's situational religious morality, and the sincerity of your beliefs is absolutely in question.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    I disagree completely, the Viagra directly facilitates the behavior for many parties that could not otherwise engage in them.
    Further, if your "religious beliefs" are sincere, no 'sin' should be spared from your tax-funding-association outrage.
    Otherwise, it's situational religious morality, and the sincerity of your beliefs is absolutely in question.
    If you do not understand the obvious logical difference that makes it difficult. You see, there is a difference between paying for a gun later used to murder someone and paying the girl to shoot the man.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    I disagree completely, the Viagra directly facilitates the behavior for many parties that could not otherwise engage in them.
    Further, if your "religious beliefs" are sincere, no 'sin' should be spared from your tax-funding-association outrage.
    Otherwise, it's situational religious morality, and the sincerity of your beliefs is absolutely in question.
    While some religious people may object to the use of viagra in certain situations, it isn't murder.

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    Re: Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen.Seven View Post
    While some religious people may object to the use of viagra in certain situations, it isn't murder.
    neither is abortion, per federal law.

    that said, is murder the only sin?

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