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Arizona governor signs bill blocking abortion coverage through Obamacare

Blue_State said:
Well ED treatment is covered by Medicare. Viagra is not. We have two pages talking about something that is not covered. Thought I would point it out.
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And I said (MEA CULPA) I was speaking too loosely by using the word like "Kleenex" is used.

Does the fact Medicare pays for medical treatment that can facilitate non-married sexual activity change after my admission of poor wording?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
And I said (MEA CULPA) I was speaking too loosely by using the word like "Kleenex" is used.

Does the fact Medicare pays for medical treatment that can facilitate non-married sexual activity change after my admission of poor wording?
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As usual poor wording can change the frame of an argument. So yes.
 
joG said:
It is not the increase or decrease in costs that is relevant here. It is the forced participation in what is considered by many religious groups to be murder.
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There's no participation. They are paying less money for the abortion. There are no additional charges for them to pass along to you. If you truly want to not participate, you should require that the insurance companies pay MORE for an abortion. Because that is what would happen if the child comes to term.
 
Fletch said:
And those who get their insurance through subsidy? (which is the point of Obamacare)
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The "subsidies" are tax credits. IOW, the money comes from the individual who purchases a plan that covers abortion.

joG said:
If a plan pays for abortions then everyone in the plan is paying for abortions and participating. If the State pays people's premium, then every taxpayer is also a perpetrator.
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The State doesn't pay anyone's premium.
 
Fletch said:
What you want and what is available is determined by the market and your ability to pay. Just like every other product or service is.
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Is that why you support a law that prohibits the market from offering a service (ie coverage for abortion) that the market wants to offer for sale?
 
Tsunami said:
There's no participation. They are paying less money for the abortion. There are no additional charges for them to pass along to you. If you truly want to not participate, you should require that the insurance companies pay MORE for an abortion. Because that is what would happen if the child comes to term.
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That is not true. It does not make an iota of difference to the argument, whether abortions save money or not. It is the paying for them that counts.
 
joG said:
That is not true. It does not make an iota of difference to the argument, whether abortions save money or not. It is the paying for them that counts.
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You're not paying for them in any way, shape, or form.
 
Tsunami said:
Only for people who are pregnant.
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Then, anyone paying a premium into the policy is participating in abortion by financing it.
 
joG said:
Then, anyone paying a premium into the policy is participating in abortion by financing it.
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Because they chose that plan

The AZ govt is prohibiting insurers from offering that choice
 
sangha said:
Because they chose that plan

The AZ govt is prohibiting insurers from offering that choice
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What choice is not being offered?
 
joG said:
What choice is not being offered?
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In AZ, insurers are not allowed to offer a plan that covers abortion.

It's what this thread is about. From the OP
Arizona Republican Governor Doug Ducey signed a law on Monday that requires doctors to tell women that drug-induced abortions can be reversed and that blocks the purchase of insurance on the Obamacare health exchange that includes abortion coverage.
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sangha said:
In AZ, insurers are not allowed to offer a plan that covers abortion.

It's what this thread is about.
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Yes. We had drifted off in a more general direction. But thx for bringing us back. ;)
 
joG said:
Then, anyone paying a premium into the policy is participating in abortion by financing it.
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No, it is for them a cost-cutting measure, you can't "finance" something which doesn't cost anything.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Cue a federal court smackdown in 3....2....1.....



what a waste of taxpayer $ this stunt is.
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Gives him some time of everyone being distracted to push through the Governor appointed IA (which only reports to the Governor) with subpoena powers and zero transparency. That and shift the focus off massive cuts to college education.
 
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