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    Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    A short while ago Gov. Mike Pence held a press conference to say that he asking for legislation by the end of the week to clarify the RFRA law he signed last week. Key in his statement:
    He said RFRA was about "religious liberty, not discrimination."


    Pence also said the law does not give anyone the right to deny services to someone.


    "I don't believe for a minute that it was the intention of the General Assembly to discriminate and it certainly wasn't my intent," Pence said.

    "This law does not give anyone the right to discriminate...This law does not give anyone the right to deny services," he said.
    Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Ok then. If that is the "fix" he signs, we're good to go and all arguments to the contrary, that the law was intended to permit the denial of service to anyone under the color of religious freedom, were in error.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    A short while ago Gov. Mike Pence held a press conference to say that he asking for legislation by the end of the week to clarify the RFRA law he signed last week. Key in his statement:


    Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Ok then. If that is the "fix" he signs, we're good to go and all arguments to the contrary, that the law was intended to permit the denial of service to anyone under the color of religious freedom, were in error.
    What is scary is that we think it good to discriminate against people for their religious practice and conscientious objection. That is something the US didn't even do, when it was a question of national security and draftees could refuse participating in war.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    I read "Dang, they got us, now we have to scramble to save face."
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Yes, freedom is so terrible that everyone freaked out about it. This country is so ****ed up, and it's not because of the government, but because of people like you.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    A short while ago Gov. Mike Pence held a press conference to say that he asking for legislation by the end of the week to clarify the RFRA law he signed last week. Key in his statement:


    Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Ok then. If that is the "fix" he signs, we're good to go and all arguments to the contrary, that the law was intended to permit the denial of service to anyone under the color of religious freedom, were in error.
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Nice to see that it seems public outcry was enough to make a difference. And of course, the threats from other states, businesses, etc to rescind their activities in the state.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?


    gee, and that's not happening now?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Indiana does not have a choice. They went too far given how the language of the bill can be interpreted, ended up called on it by plenty of groups, and there could be economic concerns if they do not clean up the effort. This was such a mess that sister legislation under consideration here in Georgia is now has unclear disposition. Last I heard here, we are doing in committee what Indiana has to do after the fact... scramble for alternative language that does not allow open discrimination of the LGBT community by businesses.

    I'll say it again, this was all avoidable. But now that we have gone down this road expect the courts to fill with all sorts of challenges no matter what Indiana (and a few other States) does.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    As I just wrote, the people...and larger organizations...spoke out and indicated they would remove their business and other activities perhaps, from the state.

    It would be interesting to see what would happen if people were indeed given license to discriminate against serving the people they felt they should not have to do business with.

    They would apply for a different type of business license and then be required to post the group(s) they do not want to serve in a publicly visible place, just like 'no shoes, no shirt, no service.' Like, "we dont serve women here.' Or 'we dont serve Jews here." Or 'we dont serve gays here.' Or 'we dont serve blacks here.'

    That would be perfectly legal with that type of business license. Then we could see if society in general would support these businesses or not. The fewer businesses with similar services/products in competition in an area would affect this as well but I'd be willing to bet people would go out of their way to avoid such businesses if they disagreed with what was posted. I know I would. I do it now regarding 'no guns allowed' signs even when not carrying.
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