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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    It could also be in that scenario that:

    1. The gay couple are themself christians and like the christian theme.

    2. They are openminded and don't believe that all christians hate gays.

    Also that if you live in a small town and their are only one bakery should then redheads, blacks, blue eyed or people taller then 6 feet have to go to another town if they want bread and cakes if the owner for some reason want to discriminate against whos groups?
    ooops i kind of had the same response in ways
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    i hope thats not true if so he is a real idiot on this topic
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    in the situation you described the only people practicing illegal discrimination and violating the rights of others would be the bakery. Theres no other answer based on legality and facts.
    now people could feel that they were dicks for choosing that bakery (but that also implies every christian or christian bakery would choose to break the law or think they cant provide service to people based on their religion, millions do not feel that way and it also implies that theres no chance of the couple themselves being Christians and wanting a christian themed wedding cake, there are christian churches doing gay marriages)

    but again to answer your question theres only one party partaking in illegal discrimination, thats the bakery
    even with law and facts not involved id be curious to see the logic that the couple practiced discrimination.
    Shocking. Let's just save time here and acknowledge that there is zero scenario where you'd actually side with a Christian business owner over a gay person regardless of the presented facts.

    Anyway, I knew this thread would attract you like a moth to a flame so you can make speeches about how awesome and enlightened you are and that it would also be my cur to bow out of it. Have fun "likes" whoring.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    1.)Shocking. Let's just save time here and acknowledge that there is zero scenario where you'd actually side with a Christian business owner over a gay person regardless of the presented facts.
    2.)Anyway, I knew this thread would attract you like a moth to a flame so you can make speeches about how awesome and enlightened you are and that it would also be my cur to bow out of it. Have fun "likes" whoring.
    1.)completely wrong assumption as usual, youd have to be more specific but id side with laws and rights. If i didnt like the laws and rights id simply state that and say its still law and rights currently, its just how im. If you have one fact that supports otherwise feel free to post it, thanks
    2.) really? you knew that me being a frequent poster would post in high profile current topic about equal rights WOW, how did you know :lmao:
    also can you point out the parts where i claimed to be awesome? oh yeah thats another made up lie born in imagination and fantasy
    thanks for the post about me, it really, really exposes things.

    maybe in the next post post about the topic and then support that post with facts
    are you claiming there is illegal discrimination in any other direction?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree, i just cant help but wonder if that wasnt the intent of the bill what was its purpose for not mirroring the other bills more? ANd what was the reason for flat out rejecting some restrictions the other bills already had.

    As soon as the verbiage was that general, it was expanded beyond a person and government into business and public and the rejection of civil rights and or sexual orientation exemptions things got real shady real fast and thats why many people were/are greatly concerned.

    ayway i hope its fixed properly. I still dont understand its need and what it does that the constitution and anti-discrimination laws dont already do for me if i lived there but as long as the horrible grey areas are fixed I do agree with you, no harm no foul
    I'm jaded. I think that was the intention of the bill and those who have voiced support of "religious freedom" to discriminate saw it that way too.

    There is some skepticism in the media whether "the fix" will actually include LGBT persons. I hope it will be fixed like it should. I've read why the 1993 federal law was passed and it seemed a good reason related to religious practices of employees. The Indiana law is not the same as the federal one.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Shocking. Let's just save time here and acknowledge that there is zero scenario where you'd actually side with a Christian business owner over a gay person regardless of the presented facts.

    Anyway, I knew this thread would attract you like a moth to a flame so you can make speeches about how awesome and enlightened you are and that it would also be my cur to bow out of it. Have fun "likes" whoring.
    I wonder how many people here support the government only protecting rights for the buyer, not the seller, but also support us negotiating with a country that throws people off roofs and throws them in jail because they are gay?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Why do we need government involved for that? Let businesses open and serve or not serve who they please, and let the local community decide to support them or not. No need for Big Brother to step in.
    Why wouldnt posting it be required? Otherwise how would people know that they cannot do business there?

    Businesses do it all the time now anyway. (Shoes, shirts, skateboards, smoking, guns, etc) Why? So they dont have to waste time and effort dealing with people or issues they dont want to.

    If you want that freedom to not associate, then the sign allows you to do exactly that. Signs allow one to avoid 'association.'
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    You have the freedom to discriminate, you just can't run a discriminatory business. Besides which, there is no religious justification for denying service to gays. Stop blowing the religious freedom horn and just own the fact that you hate people that look / act differently than you.
    No. It is not discrimination to choose not to participate in something you consider against your religion, regardless if someone is offering money to you or not. We do not give up our rights just because we choose to participate in commerce.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well pure freedom absolutely would mean the freedom to discriminate.

    True, but the ability to and the act of are two separate things.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    It tells me you have liberals wrong. Liberals are not saying that.

    Yes they are. The bill protects freedom of religion which liberals are saying will lead to discrimination.
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