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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Here's a reasonable compromise:

    We only step in to prevent businesses from rejecting customers based on personal characteristics they can't control and only then when that characteristic has historically been used to the detriment of those people.
    Interesting, so refusing to serve Muslims would be acceptable then?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You say that now, but wait until someone talks about how they don't feel welcomed there based on the Bible verses and that is de facto discrimination. My suspicion is that you would not exactly be up front and out there advocating for the business's right to post them.
    Sorry if I dont have full context, but while I completely support a non-govt run business posting religious verses, I dont see how you can dismiss the right of people not to patronize the business based on their feelings re: the verses. Or even criticize them for it.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The market is speaking very loudly in Indiana.
    These marketplace arguments undermine your argument. Just sayin.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Another interesting thing may come to light if this hypothetical was tried: the *right* to choose whom you want to serve, to have that freedom, would be available to business owners....but would they take advantage of it?

    They would have the right to refuse service to groups they found offensive or that held beliefs that they were against. I do still believe there are seriously racist people in the US. And certainly those that would refuse to serve Muslims if they could. And obvoiusly, gays.

    I wonder *how many would* actually apply for that 'discriminatory exceptions' business license and choose to not serve blacks, or women, or Jews, or Muslims? Or even gays, once they realized how big that 'market' is and how deep those pockets are?

    If such discrimination were allowed, I wonder how many would actually take advantage of it?


    Frankly I'd think the public backlash would drive them to change their policy in a majority of cases, especially if it were something as egregious as refusing service to a race or gender.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    There is nothing like shooting first and asking questions later...
    If nothing else this proves the stupidity of the Indiana legislators and governor who managed to pass a law that need to be revised so soon.
    I think the story about how shocked Gov. Pence is that, "A lot of everyday people have gay friends, and they’re not afraid to call and/or e-mail you to tell you that,” Pence said. “To be honest, I’m still trying to process it all", says it all.

    They were clueless. With the march towards nation-wide legal SSM, it should have been easy to keep from making such a horrible miscalculation.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why are people obligated to tell people where to shop? It's not their concern if someone isn't informed on where they will get service.
    THey arent, that's not what was written.

    It was about signage telling people where they could not bring their business (shop would be one example).

    How would people know they werent welcome there if there was no sign displayed informing them?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Liberals before this law: If business was allowed to discriminate people would starve and be homeless!

    Liberals after this law: The marketplace is speaking up about how they disapprove of discrimination.

    Libertarians before this law: The marketplace would handle discrimination issues.
    Libertarians after this law: The marketplace would handle discrimination issues.

    Lol, I guess libertarians were right, again.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Frankly I'd think the public backlash would drive them to change their policy in a majority of cases, especially if it were something as egregious as refusing service to a race or gender.
    I know, I think so too. But...should they have the right to do so, just as the public has the right to act as they see fit?

    Like I said, it's a cool hypothetical to explore
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I'll say it again, this was all avoidable.
    It was indeed avoidable. Illinois, Texas, and Missouri are all RFRA examples of how to avoid it.

    Indiana legislators chose differently and now the economic/reputation price is becoming too steep to ignore reality and remedy.


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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I would disagree that the marketplace is speaking. The courts are doing the speaking and not giving the marketplace a chance.
    I will disagree with you on that. It is due to the marketplace, which partially consists of the states of Connecticut and Washington and the other entities refusing to do business in Indiana, that caused this change of heart to come about. There is no court involved at this point in time.
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    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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