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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Adultery is a better discussion. Generally those denominations most accepting of gay marriage are also those most likely to consecrate marriages between parties who have been divorced. The denominations most opposed to gay marriage are also those least accepting of marriages between divorced parties. Thus, all are generally being true to their convictions.

    hmm really are you sure about that?

    Evangelicals are more likely to be divorced than the average American—even Americans who claim no religion.

    This unexpected claim comes from an unexpected source: three researchers at Baylor University.

    Jerry Park, Joshua Tom, and Brita Andercheck report that about 17 percent of white conservative Protestants and 16 percent of black Protestants are divorced, compared to 14 percent of all Americans.

    They point to the research of demographers Jennifer Glass and Philip Levchak, who argue that the evangelical encouragement to marry young and have more babies, along with discouragement to obtain higher education, is to blame. A strong evangelical presence increases divorce rates across the board, Glass reported.

    "The common conservative argument that strong religion leads to strong families does not hold up," stated Park, Tom, and Andercheck in their February 4 report for the Council of Contemporary Families.

    However, Bradford Wilcox, sociology professor at the University of Virginia and director of the National Marriage Project, disagrees.

    "The claim … that religion doesn't help marriage is bunk," he said. "In terms of people being integrated into a religious community—be it Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish—there is a strong correlation between the couple's integration and marital quality."

    Are Evangelicals Bad for Marriage? | Christianity Today

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We'll see. I suspect resistance will concentrate on those services whose provision would require the provider to participate in the conscience-offending activity. A wedding planner, for example, or a caterer asked to provide servers.
    We will have to wait and see if someone brings a case.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    hmm really are you sure about that?

    Evangelicals are more likely to be divorced than the average American—even Americans who claim no religion.

    This unexpected claim comes from an unexpected source: three researchers at Baylor University.

    Jerry Park, Joshua Tom, and Brita Andercheck report that about 17 percent of white conservative Protestants and 16 percent of black Protestants are divorced, compared to 14 percent of all Americans.

    They point to the research of demographers Jennifer Glass and Philip Levchak, who argue that the evangelical encouragement to marry young and have more babies, along with discouragement to obtain higher education, is to blame. A strong evangelical presence increases divorce rates across the board, Glass reported.

    "The common conservative argument that strong religion leads to strong families does not hold up," stated Park, Tom, and Andercheck in their February 4 report for the Council of Contemporary Families.

    However, Bradford Wilcox, sociology professor at the University of Virginia and director of the National Marriage Project, disagrees.

    "The claim … that religion doesn't help marriage is bunk," he said. "In terms of people being integrated into a religious community—be it Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish—there is a strong correlation between the couple's integration and marital quality."

    Are Evangelicals Bad for Marriage? | Christianity Today
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Instead of carving out protections for one group or another, all that needs to be done is have Congress apply the accommodation laws to a limited number of businesses like hospitals, restaurants, hotel/motels, gas stations etc. and exempt business owners. Those businesses who are in remote areas should be under accommodation laws to ensure everyone in that area could not be denied.

    According to the most remote towns in this country, the top ten have multiple listings for bakeries. Even the most remote, which is Barrow, AK.

    Top 10 Remote Small Towns

    I think that is all that needs to be said and makes the wheels on the gay agenda bus go flat.
    How about the wheels on the racist bus? Do you think those will start spinning?

    What do you think of this idea?:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It would be interesting to see what would happen if people were indeed given license to discriminate against serving the people they felt they should not have to do business with.

    They would apply for a different type of business license and then be required to post the group(s) they do not want to serve in a publicly visible place, just like 'no shoes, no shirt, no service.' Like, "we dont serve women here.' Or 'we dont serve Jews here." Or 'we dont serve gays here.' Or 'we dont serve blacks here.'

    That would be perfectly legal with that type of business license. Then we could see if society in general would support these businesses or not. The fewer businesses with similar services/products in competition in an area would affect this as well but I'd be willing to bet people would go out of their way to avoid such businesses if they disagreed with what was posted. I know I would. I do it now regarding 'no guns allowed' signs even when not carrying.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Discrimination? How so?
    One part of the law could dependent upon the Judges leaning rule in favor of a person refusing service to gays.
    I had posted that before in one of the threads.
    I am at work now and too busy to look for it. It was the NY Times or Wash Post – cannot recall.
    Just as we saw a State Supreme Court Justice tried to overrule a Federal Court ruling on SSM.
    I am not deflecting. But we saw lawyers on both sides stating opposing positions. From there it was clear to me the law was in need of change.
    As noted below SSM is a hot button issue.

    Gay marriage is Alabama judge's latest social battle - CNN.com

    Moore sent last-minute instructions Sunday night to Alabama's probate judges, ordering them to ignore a federal ruling that made their state the 37th to allow same-sex marriages, in favor of a state law that limits marriage to one man and one woman.
    As the same-sex marriage issue takes center stage -- the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments this spring -- Moore's move could turn him into the target, as he was in 2003. Supporters of same-sex marriage have long called it a human rights issue and Moore's criticism of this federal ruling recalls southern resistance to civil rights developments decades ago.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Discrimination? How so?
    Trying to find that darn link
    Here are opinions on what was missing from the law.
    Indiana does not have laws barring discrimination based upon sexual orientation.

    Is the controversial Indiana law ‘the same’ as a law backed by Obama? - The Washington Post

    The Indiana law has a potentially lower threshold – “likely to be substantially burdened” — while the Texas law also made clear that the RFRA does not trump existing civil rights law: “Except as provided in Subsection (b), this chapter does not establish or eliminate a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution under a federal or state civil rights law.”
    Moreover, Indiana (unlike many other states, including Illinois) does not have anti-discrimination laws based on sexual orientation, though there are gay rights laws in the cities of Indianapolis, Bloomington and South Bend. The fact that lawmakers rejected anti-discrimination clauses added to the anxiety of gay-rights advocates. (In Georgia, when an anti-discrimination clause was successfully added to a proposed RFRA, advocates of the legislation pulled the bill entirely.)
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Trying to find that darn link
    Here are opinions on what was missing from the law.
    Indiana does not have laws barring discrimination based upon sexual orientation.

    Is the controversial Indiana law ‘the same’ as a law backed by Obama? - The Washington Post
    I saw that in my research yesterday. Even with "the fix" discrimination can occur and because of that, Angie's List reiterated that they will not be expanding operations in Indiana, as they had previously planned.



    Angie's List rejects 'religious freedom' law revision, calls it 'insufficient'
    Angie's List calls the revision to the "religious freedom" law "insufficient," becoming the first major local company to reject the deal hammered out by Indiana legislators, the business community and others.

    "Our position is that this 'fix' is insufficient," Angie's CEO Bill Oesterle said in a statement Thursday morning. "There was no repeal of RFRA and no end to discrimination of homosexuals in Indiana."


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    "That's just not right and that's the real issue here. Our employees deserve to live, work and travel with open accommodations in any part of the state."

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I saw that in my research yesterday. Even with "the fix" discrimination can occur and because of that, Angie's List reiterated that they will not be expanding operations in Indiana, as they had previously planned.



    Angie's List rejects 'religious freedom' law revision, calls it 'insufficient'
    Yes discrimination can occur. Why does Indiana not have sexual orientation protections?
    As they do not at the State level, many took this as an attack on gays.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Yes discrimination can occur. Why does Indiana not have sexual orientation protections?
    As they do not at the State level, many took this as an attack on gays.
    I'd say Indiana doesn't have protections for sexual and gender preference because the governor and legislature is in the hands of the GOP. Pence did not want to go so far as to reverse the RFRA and put in those protections. Some counties or cities do though and the RFRA, as passed and signed the first time, would have eliminated any local protections.

    Yes, very many took this as an attack on all LGBT persons.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Yes discrimination can occur. Why does Indiana not have sexual orientation protections?
    As they do not at the State level, many took this as an attack on gays.
    Indiana does not have sexual orientation protections because a majority of Indiana voters do not want them.
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