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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently we need to go back to the first comment I made that you responded to. The government of Indiana issues licensing to Indiana businesses, and the same government is also responsible for enforcing anti-discrimination laws. So its reasonable that a business license could be pulled from a company that is discriminating.
    I have no idea. That's why we have lawyers.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I limited my examples to Christian cases. Their actions were constant and universal. You must inhabit a different universe.
    Since you didnt provide that evidence, I'd have to say that my 'universe' is the real one.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Noteworthy that Christians are attacked and ridiculed in Indiana during the same week when 150+ Christians are massacred in Kenya.
    "Noteworthy?" What gives them credibility among Christians?

    Those Westboro jackwads like to claim they are the voice of Christianity as well.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then why'd Bill Clinton sign it into law, along with the support of some of the very liberals that are now screaming like stuck pigs?
    because clinton wasn't liberal and even liberals were anti gay back then

    same reason he signed "DOMA" and "DA"DT

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How is it that businesses that receive their licence to do business from the government being discriminated against by requiring them not to discriminate against the public?
    I guess, if you turn it around and think socialist ie the state grants permission to do business you would legitimately be able to argue that way. On the other hand, it is not the business that wants to withhold trade. It is the owner against his financial interests that for conscientious reasons thinks he may not for a reason he considers above the law. In this point he does have the Constitution on his side, as the Constitution has usually up to recently been interpreted. But, I suspect to see this go to a ruling by the Supreme Court. And then we will know, if the Constitution has changed.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    Since you didnt provide that evidence, I'd have to say that my 'universe' is the real one.
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    "Noteworthy?" What gives them credibility among Christians?

    Those Westboro jackwads like to claim they are the voice of Christianity as well.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Since you didnt provide that evidence, I'd have to say that my 'universe' is the real one.
    You can deny all you want, but the evidence is clear.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
    The gay couple and here is why.

    All that bakery has to do is do what any other bakery does in this situation: Make the wedding cake and deliver it and get paid. Under no circumstances does the bakery have to get involved with the ceremony whatsoever.

    This is almost similar to a hospital founded by an orthodox church refusing services to a gay because he/she was involved with a car accident.

    Sorry. Doesn't make any sense.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    A short while ago Gov. Mike Pence held a press conference to say that he asking for legislation by the end of the week to clarify the RFRA law he signed last week. Key in his statement:


    Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Ok then. If that is the "fix" he signs, we're good to go and all arguments to the contrary, that the law was intended to permit the denial of service to anyone under the color of religious freedom, were in error.
    I messsed up on my post- sorry for that.
    I disagree.


    Christian activists: Indiana law tried to shield companies against gay marriage - The Washington Post

    “VICTORY AT THE STATEHOUSE!” proclaimed a news release from Advance America, a conservative group whose leader, Eric Miller, was invited to join Pence at a private signing ceremony at the statehouse. “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage!”
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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