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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    Which license would that be?
    I'm certain you're joking, but I suppose I'll play along.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm certain you're joking, but I suppose I'll play along.

    How to Find the Right License and Permit for Your New Business

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    Indiana does not have any one single, comprehensive business license. However, all businesses operating in Indiana are subject to regulatory requirements that may involve several state agencies. Businesses that are starting, expanding, hiring employees for the first time, changing ownership or organizational structure, or moving into Indiana will need to consider the areas listed in this section. . . .
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
    The only question I have: what exactly is a "Christian only" business model?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    The only question I have: what exactly is a "Christian only" business model?
    What are you talking about? The business model is simply that they focus on religious themed products.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    Indiana does not have any one single, comprehensive business license. However, all businesses operating in Indiana are subject to regulatory requirements that may involve several state agencies. Businesses that are starting, expanding, hiring employees for the first time, changing ownership or organizational structure, or moving into Indiana will need to consider the areas listed in this section. . . .
    Your suggesting that Memories didn't have one of these.

    Indiana has over 400 different licenses, permits, certifications, and other permissions, which could be required to engage in certain activities.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm certain you're joking, but I suppose I'll play along.

    How to Find the Right License and Permit for Your New Business

    Starting a business? Confused about whether you need a business license or permit?

    Virtually every business needs some form of license or permit to operate legally.

    https://www.sba.gov/blogs/how-find-r...r-new-business
    One of the biggest reasons business owners need licenses is so the government can track revenue for taxation purposes. However, licenses and permits are also used to protect the public.
    Even home-based businesses and sole proprietors typically need a permit from their local government to operate legally.
    Because every business has different licensing and permit requirements depending on its location and industry, it can be intimidating to know where to start.
    haha...

    So basically when I said people are forced to get a license to use their property as a business I was 100% correct. Exactly how is that not a violation of property rights? Does anyone want to answer that for me?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your suggesting that Memories didn't have one of these.

    Indiana has over 400 different licenses, permits, certifications, and other permissions, which could be required to engage in certain activities.

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    Yes, and none of them has anything to do with discrimination or religious convictions.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    haha...

    So basically when I said people are forced to get a license to use their property as a business I was 100% correct. Exactly how is that not a violation of property rights? Does anyone want to answer that for me?
    Yes, licensing is a requirement for business. I don't understand your point.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What are you talking about? The business model is simply that they focus on religious themed products.
    If making money by providing goods or services comes second, you are taking about something completely different.

    That's not a business plan.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, and none of them has anything to do with discrimination or religious convictions.
    Apparently we need to go back to the first comment I made that you responded to. The government of Indiana issues licensing to Indiana businesses, and the same government is also responsible for enforcing anti-discrimination laws. So its reasonable that a business license could be pulled from a company that is discriminating.
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