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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You have a fundamentally flawed concept of how public accommodation laws work. You're trying to paint this in some kind of black and white universe where either every religious belief must be respected or nobody is allowed to follow any religious belief. I'm actually having a hard time describing your problem, because you are so far off the mark that you aren't even in the same universe as public accommodation laws.
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" - That isn't ambiguous. It doesn't say "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof unless we don't approve."

    An actress is an employee, not a customer. She can choose not to work for a porn company. There's no problem with that.
    No. The actress is the sole proprietorship business and the customer is the porn company, in this example.


    The company, on the other hand, can't refuse to sell her porn because she's a woman. Or because she's Jewish. Or latino. Similarly, the company cannot refuse to hire her because she's Jewish, or latino, or a woman. (although porn isn't a great example, because it would fall under the Bona Fide Occupational Qualification exemption. A female role, whether in adult films or the regular kind, needs to be played by a female so the business can in fact refuse to hire men for that particular position. get it. position?)
    You aren't even in the right ball park here.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Of course it is. You may wish to look it up and I assure you that denying it will not not make it any less bigoted.

    Lets not. Stupid analogies only hurt your position of defending bigotry.
    Point out how it is bigotry to not participate in something that is counter to your closely held religious beliefs?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" - That isn't ambiguous. It doesn't say "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof unless we don't approve."
    It doesn't say that but that right is limited same as the rest of them. To bad for the religions requiring human sacrifice, sex with children, and multiple wives, etc.............

    No. The actress is the sole proprietorship business and the customer is the porn company, in this example.
    I looked - porn companies aren't listed as public accommodations. Weird.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A hearer's emotional reaction to a statement =/= the intent of the speaker. That sentence can indeed be spoken in all innocence, regardless of how it is taken.
    See the post below.
    Last edited by Gina; 04-02-15 at 06:13 PM.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Then you are acting the bigot, smearing entire groups of people, and are no better than those you oppose. I don't personally take offense, but it is sad - I've seen you think and write enough to know that you are smarter than to take those kind of intellectual shortcuts.
    You know, we're done.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The compromise reportedly agreed to by both sides today is along the lines I suggested. As best I can make out this early, a restaurant asked to provide food for a gay wedding probably cannot refuse, but a caterer cannot be compelled to provide servers and other support personnel who would actually participate.
    I haven't had time to read the report today. I just saw the headline. I'll catch up and reply later.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Keep your eye on the shiny object... I'm moving on.
    I believe you said that at least twice already, while I've kept posting on topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There's no difficulty with the signage...it serves both bigot and bigotee. It also protects both, even tho only one might desire it (those being informed before they have to deal with the bigots). The govt is actively protecting their right to association there, even if the business owners prefer to 'protect' their own right to association by associating with (personally informing) those it desires not to associate with. (yup, still funny).

    Still confusing for you, I know but basically it means that the govt involvement protects both's rights, one side that would desire it and one side that may or may not. And I agree with the govt protecting people's rights.

    My last question was why you feel the need to keep informing everyone that you're 'done.' lol
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    All you are answering is "the law is the law", as a standard. But if your standard for what should be the law is the law itself, then why protest against the Indiana law?



    You offered "doing it for free".


    What do you do for a living, Gina?
    No, I was referring also to morality...the word was there several times...not just law.

    And 'non-profits' and 'private clubs' all generate incomes and provide salaries (2 examples I provided). So no, they dont have to work for free.

    Please stop just posting anything, I imagine someone just randomly pulling words from my quotes out of the air and trying to formulate things that either agree with their beliefs or intentionally dont agree with their beliefs. PLease try to read what I actually write, with the words in the order I write them, and the intent you should (probably) understand by now.
    "Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

    "No, you'll be *a* judge of that, just like everyone else who reads it."
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You seem to be working out some issues not directly connected to our discussion.
    No, you just continued to avoid supporting the claim you made several pages back because you cannot. You should have just let it drop, as I did....it's there for everyone to see. (Or, note my signature in green, below).
    "Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

    "No, you'll be *a* judge of that, just like everyone else who reads it."
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    This is what you get when you don't pay close attention to who you are voting into office. This dense tea party Governor should never have been elected in the first place.

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