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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Tolerance means people of opposed convictions all have to be a little bit disappointed.
    "A little bit disappointed" is grossly minimizing the experience of having someone say to one's face, "We don't __________________ for homosexuals (or transsexuals)." That causes way more than a little bit of disappointment. If it's related to a wedding, at the least, they've cast a pall on the planning and maybe the event. They've also planted seeds of doubt or fear about what the next stop will bring. That's a really cruddy thing to have to put up with over something LGBTs cannot change.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    "A little bit disappointed" is grossly minimizing the experience of having someone say to one's face, "We don't __________________ for homosexuals (or transsexuals)." That causes way more than a little bit of disappointment. If it's related to a wedding, at the least, they've cast a pall on the planning and maybe the event. They've also planted seeds of doubt or fear about what the next stop will bring. That's a really cruddy thing to have to put up with over something LGBTs cannot change.
    ...when weighing respective rights, I'm sorry, but I just can't get in my head how the right not to have to call the next wedding planner on the google search page outweighs the right to conscience or religion.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    "In my opinion, if weíre going to fight the War on Terror, a good place to start would be our countryís haunted houses." - Norm MacDonald

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    No confusion at all, in fact I see right through you...
    Oh, and of course, the ever present mentality that if you are not in accordance with your beliefs, then you are a bigot. You have bigot on the mind, and that is all you see. And yep, it is funny and ironic that you are confused and biased, and always see bigots where none exist, even with your eyes closed, even when it is out of the sphere of the discussion. Bigot, bigot, bigot. That's your only answer to everything. But, you are not close minded or anything.
    Meaningless post where you didnt say anything....well, I knew you'd be confused...thanks for confirming it.

    You couldnt refute it with actual discussion.... (Amusing, your removing the bold below, lol...too confusing eh? Well, hypocrisy often is)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There's no difficulty with the signage...it serves both bigot and bigotee. It also protects both, even tho only one might desire it (those being informed before they have to deal with the bigots). The govt is actively protecting their right to association there, even if the business owners prefer to 'protect' their own right to association by associating with (personally informing) those it desires not to associate with. (yup, still funny).

    Still confusing for you, I know but basically it means that the govt involvement protects both's rights, one side that would desire it and one side that may or may not. And I agree with the govt protecting people's rights.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Penn Jillette hits it out of the park. Watch the crazy zealot lady wince..comedy gold.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...when weighing respective rights, I'm sorry, but I just can't get in my head how the right not to have to call the next wedding planner on the google search page outweighs the right to conscience or religion.
    That you don't see that informing a person they are unfit to do business with because of a characteristic which they have no part in deciding (which does no harm the shopkeeper) is unkind/rude/cruel, is something I cannot wrap my head around. In person or on the phone.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Only liberals assume freedom = discrimination. What does that tell you?
    Just like only Righties want the "freedom" to discriminate. That is much more telling.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...when weighing respective rights, I'm sorry, but I just can't get in my head how the right not to have to call the next wedding planner on the google search page outweighs the right to conscience or religion.
    Perhaps you need a new head. This is a done deal, business's cannot discriminate. baking a cake is not a religious exercise.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Perhaps you need a new head. This is a done deal, business's cannot discriminate. baking a cake is not a religious exercise.
    No, but a wedding ceremony is. And it doesn't have to be a religious ceremony to violate your faith.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    That you don't see that informing a person they are unfit to do business with because of a characteristic which they have no part in deciding (which does no harm the shopkeeper) is unkind/rude/cruel, is something I cannot wrap my head around. In person or on the phone.
    I can see how people would find it rude or cruel, particularly if you were rude or cruel in the delivery. But there are plenty of ways to handle that conversation without being rude or cruel.

    Nor is anyone saying "You are unfit to do business with". They are saying "we cannot in good faith take participate in your wedding ceremony."

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