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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    The answer was in there. Go somewhere else.
    so you are suggesting they should let people break the law and or infringe on thier rights?
    good god why?

    what other cases would you suggest that?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Everyone needs to recognize that evolution of social/cultural attitudes toward LGBT has been extraordinarily rapid, maybe unprecedentedly so. It would therefore be wise for all parties to give each other some slack. Let's all exercise some actual tolerance instead of looking for opportunities to be outraged.
    In other words, those gay folks should just be patient until the Neanderthals figure things out. We tried that with blacks after the Civil War. After a hundred years, the Neanderthals still hadn't figured it out.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The answer was in there. Go somewhere else.
    This is the same cavalier, blatant trolling everyone who asks a religious conservative the question Gina asked will get in response.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Religious conservatives may be on the wrong side of extremely rapid cultural evolution, but that does not delegitimize their human rights claim or their constitutionally protected freedom of religion.
    I don't exactly see anybody trying to make their marriages illegal nor barring their access to places of public accommodation.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Religious conservatives may be on the wrong side of extremely rapid cultural evolution, but that does not delegitimize their human rights claim or their constitutionally protected freedom of religion.
    It does in an orderly civilized society, where they wish to practice their faith. I remind you that there are ways for them to both conduct business and keep their faith without practicing random discrimination.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    There we have it. Shut up and take it. Accept being treated as second class citizen for something they have no control over.

    Maybe those stores and services could put up a sign so that no LGBT person/couple would have to deal with the unpleasantness face to face?

    BTW, the answer was in your quoted comments, not in your own words.
    In a time of extremely rapid cultural evolution the number of actual cases will be small and decrease quickly. Tolerance means not getting everything you want all the time. And the religious conservatives have legitimate human rights and constitutional claims of their own.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    In other words, those gay folks should just be patient until the Neanderthals figure things out. We tried that with blacks after the Civil War. After a hundred years, the Neanderthals still hadn't figured it out.
    The movement from illegal homosexuality to gay marriage has been accomplished in 10% of the time it took to get from the Emancipation Proclamation to the Civil Rights Act. Your comparison fails.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In a time of extremely rapid cultural evolution the number of actual cases will be small and decrease quickly. Tolerance means not getting everything you want all the time. And the religious conservatives have legitimate human rights and constitutional claims of their own.
    And just what are their legitimate human rights and constitutional claims?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is the same cavalier, blatant trolling everyone who asks a religious conservative the question Gina asked will get in response.
    Please see the link in #257. It is anything but cavalier.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In a time of extremely rapid cultural evolution the number of actual cases will be small and decrease quickly. Tolerance means not getting everything you want all the time. And the religious conservatives have legitimate human rights and constitutional claims of their own.
    Let's hope your first sentence is true.

    As for the rest, one shouldn't have to pass a religious test in order to do business.
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