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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Doesn't mean the states argument was convincing.

    The argument that someone must serve others is just not terribly convincing, sorry.
    Well, it's not convincing to you. Which, in the grand scheme of things, means nothing.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
    It's obvious that if the court becomes involved and forces compliance with the wishes of the gay activist, the business owners are victims of institutional discrimination against their religious views. With out court involvement there is no discrimination, just a request and denial.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Ah, I think in many cases, it's easy to determine sexual preference.


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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    They could put up signs if they want, but after a while everyone would know who they serve and who they don't. The point is, that businesses that do that and survive would likely be few and far between, as it is now, without any government intervention. Completely unnecessary. The solution is not always to surrender more freedoms to the government, it rarely ends up as a good thing.
    So then in order to exercise their freedom of association, they would choose to associate with <insert group> in order to tell them they wouldnt associate with them?

    LOLOL Ah the irony.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So then in order to exercise their freedom of association, they would choose to associate with <insert group> in order to tell them they wouldnt associate with them?

    LOLOL Ah the irony.
    They could associate all they want. Who cares? What are you even talking about? You have successfully made absolutely no case for the government to get involved. As usually, off on an irrelevant tangent. Yep, LOL is right.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Second, Indiana's labor force is located primarily in medium-sized and smaller cities rather than in very large and expensive metropolises. This makes it possible for firms to offer somewhat lower wages for these skills than would normally be paid. Firms often see in Indiana a chance to obtain higher than average skills at lower than average wages

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Conscientious Objectors were allowed to not carry a weapon and not fight. My BIL was one such in Vietnam. He went in when drafted as a C.O. and served as an unarmed medic for a front line infantry unit.


    We do have a history of trying to take into consideration the honest objections-of-conscience held by citizens, whether religious or otherwise. Some reasonable compromise is not unjust.


    If a doctor declines to perform an abortion, he can refer the patient to another physician. If a wedding photographer doesn't want to participate in a gay wedding (or a Klan wedding, or a skinhead wedding, or a biker wedding, or a Black Panther wedding), let him refer the prospective customer to another service provider and no harm is done.
    I am not sure that the referral would not compromise the co in the same way. Don't forget that participating in the legal process of instituting abortion is considered self excommunication. So referring to an abortionist could be construed as participation.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There's no force. If you dont like the laws pertaining to that state's business licenses, no one forces you to get one. You can find another state, jurisdiction, area in which to open your business.
    Don'T be ridiculous. If you cannot see the force and government interference in free religious practice, it is hardly worth talking with you. So please don't be obstinate and argue with better sense.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Conscientious objection refers to service in the military. It's not cover for discrimination in the course of doing business.
    That is an off the wall statement.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    "Likes whoring"? gtfo.

    I conscientiously object to the pink n blue on my cake <crying emoticon please>

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