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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Discrimination occurs every day. That point was very clear. Let me know if you struggle with big words.
    Yes, it does. This morning I discriminated against toast by making waffles instead.

    Is there something that makes you think this is relevant to public accommodation laws?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh look, another one who thinks the world is black and white.

    Public accommodation laws protect race, gender, religion, and in many states sexuality. That's it. Are you discriminating on the basis of one of those characteristics? if so, you're in trouble. Any other characteristic? Go for it. You can kick someone out of your business for having red hair. That's legal. Enjoy.

    Women's gyms tend to fall under exemptions based on privacy, wherein the gym is treated like a locker room or bathroom. Although I assume this varies by state.
    Oh know...I quite understand the laws. I get that they change fairly regularly. The point was made very clearly. The law very clearly allows for discrimination...it occurs every day. Maybe someday soon EVERYONE will have their own special protected class.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, it does. This morning I discriminated against toast by making waffles instead.

    Is there something that makes you think this is relevant to public accommodation laws?
    Did you discriminate against allowing the 33 year old man into your retirement community? Did you discriminate against allowing a man into your womens gym? Surely you created a handicap bathroom to accommodate for handicapped patrons...then the law MUST insist you create a mens bathroom for your male customers...right?

    Discrimination occurs every day.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh know...I quite understand the laws. I get that they change fairly regularly. The point was made very clearly. The law very clearly allows for discrimination...it occurs every day. Maybe someday soon EVERYONE will have their own special protected class.
    You apparently don't understand the laws because you seem under the impression that only certain people are protected.

    You are protected by public accommodation laws, dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Did you discriminate against allowing the 33 year old man into your retirement community? Did you discriminate against allowing a man into your womens gym? Surely you created a handicap bathroom to accommodate for handicapped patrons...then the law MUST insist you create a mens bathroom for your male customers...right?

    Discrimination occurs every day.
    So either all discrimination must be legal or no discrimination can be legal. Those are the only two options?

    It's either that, or you're attacking an absurd straw man here. Are you really under the impression people are arguing that all discrimination must be stopped?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Discrimination occurs every day. That point was very clear. Let me know if you struggle with big words.
    You made an analogy with zero applicability to the topic. I'm sure it sounded clever inside your head, but it was pretty stupid. Feel free to prove otherwise.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You apparently don't understand the laws because you seem under the impression that only certain people are protected.

    You are protected by public accommodation laws, dude.



    So either all discrimination must be legal or no discrimination can be legal. Those are the only two options?
    Only certain people ARE protected. There are 'protected classes' of citizens. As to the all or nothing thinking...that seems rather a stupid statement coming from you considering your position on people choosing to not make a cake for a gay wedding.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    You made an analogy with zero applicability to the topic. I'm sure it sounded clever inside your head, but it was pretty stupid. Feel free to prove otherwise.
    Its already proven. Discrimination exists...often with legal coverage.

    For example...in Indiana, a baker can choose to not bake a cake for a gay wedding, depending on circumstances.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    It is not bigotry.
    Of course it is. You may wish to look it up and I assure you that denying it will not not make it any less bigoted.

    Let's put it this way.
    Lets not. Stupid analogies only hurt your position of defending bigotry.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    I read "Dang, they got us, now we have to scramble to save face."

    ".... our nation's leaders are a feeble crew ..... "

    Once again, a Con steps out into the public and shoots himself in the foot with a bazooka. It's the gang that can't shoot straight; but then again, how hard is it to miss a foot?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've got a question about all this.

    Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.

    Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
    Is there something in the Bible that says "Thou shall not bake fabulous cupcakes for homosexuals?" I don't see how icing rainbows on a freakin' cupcake will make one gay, accepting of gays, or, in the very least, go against their religion. It's just business.

    And, BTW, if I'm not mistaken, aren't there Christian religions who are accepting of homosexuality?
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